HNLbasedFlyer

Of course it is rude and inconsiderate - and the person doing it knows that. They don't care. Just like talking in a movie, cutting you off in traffic, cutting in line, etc - they don't care.

Just because someone controls the window shade, does not mean they cannot be considerate of others. I sometimes wonder, if they are willing to be so inconsiderate to a cabin full of people - what other types of things do they do in daily life.

ACYYZ/SD

Then you need to speak to the SD. If the windows become shaded after take-off it's an indication that they are out of the lock position and that YOU - The Customer has control. I have never once locked the windows other than the mandated TTL (Taxi/Takeoff/Landing) setting.

mahasamatman

The people who are claiming the window set people are selfish for using what they paid for are the only truly selfish ones. Why should you expect others to bow to your whims and operate the window shades to your personal preference? If you want control over the window shade, book a window seat.

I would personally love to see the shades open at all time, but since I always sit in a aisle seat, it's not my opinion that matters.

davie355

We've already seen it in this thread.

They rationalize their inconsiderate nature by turning the tables. "I have the right to open my window shade. Others are inconsiderate for infringing on my right!"

davie355

It's not my personal preference. It is the consensus preference of the cabin.

STS-134

I always fly in a window seat, if possible. In general, I always keep the window open, UNLESS:
- Most of the cabin has the windows closed and it's a sleeping flight, in which case, I will close the window unless I am peeking outside for a few seconds to take pictures or see what's below
- There's DIRECT sunlight coming in and hitting someone's screen or going into someone's eyes. In this case, I will pull the shade down far enough that the direct sun is off their device or out of their eyes, but keep it open as far as possible without violating those conditions

I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to figure out. If there's direct sunlight causing glare for someone else, you don't have to pull the shade ALL THE WAY DOWN. You can just pull it far down enough that it's no longer an annoyance, while still allowing other folks who want to look outside the maximum opportunity to do so without the completely open window shade being an annoyance. Sheesh.

cranky1K

eng3

Some people may want to reduce jetlag on a short intl trip by being exposed the sunlight and sleeping based on destination timezone. The number one thing that affects jetlag is exposure to sunlight.
One cannot replicate the brightness of the sunlight from an open window shade using cablin lights. One CAN cover up their eyes and replicate the darkness of a closed window shade by using the provided eye shade.

It is incredibly selfish to force someone to close their window shade because one doesn't feel like wearing eye shades.

Even ignoring jetlag, I don't understand why all intl flights need to be in total darkness even if it is daytime in both the origin and destination.

This is pretty much what I do. If there is direct sunlight on someone's screen, I am considerate and give up my sunlight to allow my neighbor to watch TV since he has no other choice. When the entire cabin shuts their window shade and goes to sleep, I am considerate and shut mine too and give up might sunlight so others don't have to wear their eye shades. Usually I'm one of the last ones and sometimes I see someone give me "the look". Not sure why I am the one considered selfish when I'm the only one needing to be considerate and giving up anything when others get what they want by doing nothing. Ironically, when I decide to sleep, I still wear an eyeshade because I find all the random lights in the cabin too bright anyways.

davie355

Yes, the problem is it is not one. It's the entire rest of the cabin.

infinite97

I flew LHR > LAX a couple of months ago on a flight that left London around 3pm, arriving in LA at around 7pm. We also had another flight after this, and we weren't getting home until after 1am. I was on the window and kept the shade open (down?) the entire flight, much to the dismay of the multiple flight attendants, who asked no less than 4 times for me to close it, becoming more and more aggressive and rude each time. The last lady (I use that term very loosely) told me I was a rude and selfish human

Sorry, but when flying from east to west, I don't want to sleep on the plane and ruin the next day or two. My window seat = my choice.

daisyatl

So the people who are shades open keep the shades open the entire time? Even when they plan to sleep?

ContinentalFan

naumank

ContinentalFan

wolfie_cr

the analogies here are going into ridicule mode...........I totally 100% would love to hear you play the french horn, this is such a valid analogy that every airline I have flown has them, there are usually two per row, just like every plane has a window.......