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-   -   T-shirt on a UA flight yesterday (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1952371-t-shirt-ua-flight-yesterday.html)

topman Jan 22, 2019 9:49 am
T-shirt on a UA flight yesterday
 
Apparently several Global Services pax made these and wear it on their UA flights.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b8b67522d8.jpg

Bonehead Jan 22, 2019 9:53 am
Classy.

rufflesinc Jan 22, 2019 10:06 am
#firstworldproblems

MSPeconomist Jan 22, 2019 10:07 am
Do you mean former GS customers?

757FO Jan 22, 2019 10:26 am
Not on one of my flights, but I had a co-worker who encountered this, and his FA's seriously contemplated saying something about needed to change the t-shirts, but in the end, did not. Personally, if I encountered this, I'm not sure what I would do, but I would probably be inclined ask them to change shirts/cover them up.

EWR764 Jan 22, 2019 10:27 am
They aren’t wrong...

UAX_Brasilia Jan 22, 2019 10:28 am
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686417)
Not on one of my flights, but I had a co-worker who encountered this, and his FA's seriously contemplated saying something about needed to change the t-shirts, but in the end, did not. Personally, if I encountered this, I'm not sure what I would do, but I would probably be inclined ask them to change shirts/cover them up.
Lol wut?

MatthewLAX Jan 22, 2019 10:28 am
Tacky shirt, even if the message is true.

rufflesinc Jan 22, 2019 10:40 am
Originally Posted by MatthewLAX (Post 30686429)
Tacky shirt, even if the message is true.
How can it be true that it never works?

MatthewLAX Jan 22, 2019 10:45 am
Originally Posted by rufflesinc (Post 30686483)
How can it be true that it never works?
It's a deliberate hyperbole. I get the message, especially after flying AA recently and experiencing high-speed internet for half the price.

chavala Jan 22, 2019 11:59 am
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686417)
Not on one of my flights, but I had a co-worker who encountered this, and his FA's seriously contemplated saying something about needed to change the t-shirts, but in the end, did not. Personally, if I encountered this, I'm not sure what I would do, but I would probably be inclined ask them to change shirts/cover them up.
On what grounds? What if they refused? Would you have them kicked off?

bitterproffit Jan 22, 2019 12:04 pm
Why do they continue giving a company money if they don't like the services provided?

Sounds like Stockholm Syndrome to me.

milepig Jan 22, 2019 12:08 pm
Originally Posted by chavala (Post 30686832)
On what grounds? What if they refused? Would you have them kicked off?
Grounds? It includes profanity.

MSPeconomist Jan 22, 2019 12:08 pm
Originally Posted by chavala (Post 30686832)
On what grounds? What if they refused? Would you have them kicked off?
Isn't this what Southwest does when it considers a tee shirt to be offensive?

Asknorm Jan 22, 2019 12:10 pm
Revoke their status if I was King of the world. I would also fix the wi-fi as well.

iluv2fly Jan 22, 2019 12:10 pm
"Effing" is considered profanity?

(Although I agree the t-shirt is tacky.)

How did OP know pax was a GS?

757FO Jan 22, 2019 12:11 pm
Originally Posted by chavala (Post 30686832)
On what grounds? What if they refused? Would you have them kicked off?
Grounds? How would you like for me to wear a shirt to your place of employment with something negative about it? I don't care what you say, I'm sure it would bother you at some level. NOW, having said that, yes, the WIFI can be slow and problematic. Not arguing that one bit, and it's something we do need to improve upon.

Would I have them removed from the plane if they refused, I honestly don't know... Removing someone from one of my flights is not something I take lightly, and I usually try to figure out an alternate to doing so. But, sometimes it can be out my hands, if the FA's refuse to fly, and then I have to weigh inconveniencing an entire plane full of people, versus one or two.

chavala Jan 22, 2019 12:15 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686897)
Grounds? How would you like for me to wear a shirt to your place of employment with something negative about it? I don't care what you say, I'm sure it would bother you at some level. NOW, having said that, yes, the WIFI can be slow and problematic. Not arguing that one bit, and it's something we do need to improve upon.

Would I have them removed from the plane if they refused, I honestly don't know... Removing someone from one of my flights is not something I take lightly, and I usually try to figure out an alternate to doing so. But, sometimes it can be out my hands, if the FA's refuse to fly, and then I have to weigh inconveniencing an entire plane full of people, versus one or two.
So you're saying it wouldn't be because of "profanity" ? You have the authority to tell someone to change their shirt because you don't like the message? Yikes.

narvik Jan 22, 2019 12:16 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686897)
Grounds? How would you like for me to wear a shirt to your place of employment with something negative about it? I don't care what you say, I'm sure it would bother you at some level. NOW, having said that, yes, the WIFI can be slow and problematic. Not arguing that one bit, and it's something we do need to improve upon.

Would I have them removed from the plane if they refused, I honestly don't know... Removing someone from one of my flights is not something I take lightly, and I usually try to figure out an alternate to doing so. But, sometimes it can be out my hands, if the FA's refuse to fly, and then I have to weigh inconveniencing an entire plane full of people, versus one or two.
Unless the writing is also on the front of the T-Shirt (was it?), if the passenger is sitting in his/her seat, the message can't really be seen.

milepig Jan 22, 2019 12:17 pm
Originally Posted by iluv2fly (Post 30686889)
"Effing" is considered profanity?

(Although I agree the t-shirt is tacky.)

How did OP know pax was a GS?
Sucks.


OccasionalFlyerPerson Jan 22, 2019 12:24 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686417)
Not on one of my flights, but I had a co-worker who encountered this, and his FA's seriously contemplated saying something about needed to change the t-shirts, but in the end, did not. Personally, if I encountered this, I'm not sure what I would do, but I would probably be inclined ask them to change shirts/cover them up.
Couldn't you just fix the WiFi instead?

RichardNixon Jan 22, 2019 12:40 pm
Trying to talk big about pushing changing a pax's t-shirt is about all the sky waiters have going for them? It's a race to the biggest power trip and they just might beat out the TSA.

wanderingkev Jan 22, 2019 12:41 pm
It is target rich environment for T shirts.....has to be some good ones for.
-The cheese plate
-Garlic bread
-Balsamic vinaigrette

757FO Jan 22, 2019 12:42 pm
Ok, before this descends into a rat hole, plus I'm starting a 3 day trip tonight, I'm going to respectfully decline to comment further. I respect each of your opinions, and ask you do the same for mine. While I personally think the t-shirt is classless and tacky, and honestly won't accomplish a damn thing, other than to solicit lots of opinions on this forum, to each his own.

If any of you are LHR bound tonight, see you on board, but please don't wear the t-shirt! :) :)

Originally Posted by RichardNixon (Post 30687052)
Trying to talk big about pushing changing a pax's t-shirt is about all the sky waiters have going for them? It's a race to the biggest power trip and they just might beat out the TSA.
LOL, I'm not a sky waiter, I'm even worse, I'm the more obnoxious, more power tripping, ego inflated pilot who's tasked with getting you safely to your destination. :)

bitterproffit Jan 22, 2019 12:45 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686897)
Grounds? How would you like for me to wear a shirt to your place of employment with something negative about it? I don't care what you say, I'm sure it would bother you at some level. NOW, having said that, yes, the WIFI can be slow and problematic. Not arguing that one bit, and it's something we do need to improve upon.

Would I have them removed from the plane if they refused, I honestly don't know... Removing someone from one of my flights is not something I take lightly, and I usually try to figure out an alternate to doing so. But, sometimes it can be out my hands, if the FA's refuse to fly, and then I have to weigh inconveniencing an entire plane full of people, versus one or two.
I think I would laugh at them. Its like someone wearing a tshirt to McDonalds complaining that ice cream machine never works. Like they don't have a choice of who to give their money to, or don't have the imagination to figure it out.

iluv2fly Jan 22, 2019 12:49 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30686897)
Grounds? How would you like for me to wear a shirt to your place of employment with something negative about it? I don't care what you say, I'm sure it would bother you at some level. NOW, having said that, yes, the WIFI can be slow and problematic. Not arguing that one bit, and it's something we do need to improve upon.

Would I have them removed from the plane if they refused, I honestly don't know... Removing someone from one of my flights is not something I take lightly, and I usually try to figure out an alternate to doing so. But, sometimes it can be out my hands, if the FA's refuse to fly, and then I have to weigh inconveniencing an entire plane full of people, versus one or two.
People say negative things about United all the time. Why should it matter where they say them? Where does it stop? If it didn't say "effing," would you have the same opinion?

HNLbasedFlyer Jan 22, 2019 12:49 pm
If wish if people felt they had to wear such a tacky and classless t-shirt, they'd fly another airline.

I wouldn't want to sit near that person. It is unnecessarily disruptive.

S.R Jan 22, 2019 12:50 pm
Pretty ridiculous that this would cause an airline employee such an issue that they would consider throwing a passenger off the plane for it. It's a t shirt. I get that airline employees need to assert their dominance in whatever way they can, but this is probably the dumbest reason i've ever heard to kick someone off a plane. And "effing" is profanity now? Give me a break.
I don't think I would be comfortable flying with a crew member who thinks they have this type of willy nilly authority to kick someone off.

S.R Jan 22, 2019 12:54 pm
Originally Posted by HNLbasedFlyer (Post 30687096)
If wish if people felt they had to wear such a tacky and classless t-shirt, they'd fly another airline.

I wouldn't want to sit near that person. It is unnecessarily disruptive.
I honestly don't understand what the big deal is or how this can be "disruptive." And what in the world would make the crew uncomfortable with flying with someone wearing the shirt? Do they think its going to make everyone agree and create a mob situation or something? Its a tacky but meant to be funny shirt, some people just need to take things a little less seriously.

t5campbell Jan 22, 2019 12:55 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30687059)
Ok, before this descends into a rat hole, plus I'm starting a 3 day trip tonight, I'm going to respectfully decline to comment further. I respect each of your opinions, and ask you do the same for mine. While I personally think the t-shirt is classless and tacky, and honestly won't accomplish a damn thing, other than to solicit lots of opinions on this forum, to each his own.

If any of you are LHR bound tonight, see you on board, but please don't wear the t-shirt! :) :)



LOL, I'm not a sky waiter, I'm even worse, I'm the more obnoxious, more power tripping, ego inflated pilot who's tasked with getting you safely to your destination. :)
Since you work for the company share this with higher ups on your end. If my company was offering sub-par product and people were complaining I would want to make it better for the customer.

chavala Jan 22, 2019 12:56 pm
Originally Posted by S.R (Post 30687121)
I honestly don't understand what the big deal is or how this can be "disruptive." And what in the world would make the crew uncomfortable with flying with someone wearing the shirt? Do they think its going to make everyone agree and create a mob situation or something? Its a tacky but meant to be funny shirt, some people just need to take things a little less seriously.
A mob situation, LOL. Maybe if we all start wearing them they'd fix the wifi!

worldwidedreamer Jan 22, 2019 1:19 pm
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 30686883)
Isn't this what Southwest does when it considers a tee shirt to be offensive?
You mean the international airline that does not fly RJs aka Barbie's #DreamJet , yet still has fast free gate-to-gate satellite wifi on every airplane free for their mid-tier elites, AKA A-List Preferred? Think they'd find the t-shirt as a billboard TBH.

chavala Jan 22, 2019 1:20 pm
Originally Posted by worldwidedreamer (Post 30687229)
You mean the international airline that does not fly RJs aka Barbie's #DreamJet , yet still has fast free gate-to-gate satellite wifi on every airplane free for their mid-tier elites, AKA A-List Preferred? Think they'd find the t-shirt as a billboard TBH.
Yeah, just don't wear a mini skirt!

UAPremierGuy Jan 22, 2019 1:26 pm
I personally think the t-shirt is humorous, albeit a bit classless. I can't fathom that an employee would consider kicking a passenger off for wearing something like this, especially when I see far more offensive attire (or, often, lack thereof) on many of my flights, like bare feet on the bulkhead, yet those passengers are allowed to continue to fly. ;)

BB2220 Jan 22, 2019 1:30 pm
Originally Posted by chavala (Post 30687130)
A mob situation, LOL. Maybe if we all start wearing them they'd fix the wifi!
Doubt it. They’d rather give the appearance of having WiFi then actually offer a working product. All of the WiFi maintenance is contracted out to a third party who works limited shifts at some hubs. So for example, if the WiFi breaks on a Friday night, the UA mechanic can’t do anything to fix it. It’s off limits. The plane flies around with a WiFi MEL until a Panasonic or Thales or whoever the lowest bidder was for that particular aircraft, comes in on Monday to fix it. It flies for a few days, then breaks again, and flies around some more, broken, until it can get to a contractor at a time and place convenient for them.

But hey, they save a million dollars a year with that method, so good deal.


BB2220 Jan 22, 2019 1:32 pm
Originally Posted by UAPremierGuy (Post 30687249)
I personally think the t-shirt is humorous, albeit a bit classless. I can't fathom that an employee would consider kicking a passenger off for wearing something like this, especially when I see far more offensive attire (or, often, lack thereof) on many of my flights, like bare feet on the bulkhead, yet those passengers are allowed to continue to fly. ;)
Employees have to realize it’s their management that created the situation. Hold them accountable.

worldwidedreamer Jan 22, 2019 1:34 pm
Originally Posted by chavala (Post 30687232)
Yeah, just don't wear a mini skirt!
Especially in Mexico, apparently. Oh boy I miss the 1970s, even though I was not born yet.

blueman2 Jan 22, 2019 1:57 pm
Originally Posted by 757FO (Post 30687059)
... I respect each of your opinions, and ask you do the same for mine. While I personally think the t-shirt is classless and tacky, and honestly won't accomplish a damn thing, other than to solicit lots of opinions on this forum, to each his own.

If any of you are LHR bound tonight, see you on board, but please don't wear the t-shirt! :) :)

LOL, I'm not a sky waiter, I'm even worse, I'm the more obnoxious, more power tripping, ego inflated pilot who's tasked with getting you safely to your destination. :)
Safe travels, sir! BTW, I think the many if not most agree with your statement above. Classless and tacky; probably won't accomplish anything. But you went one step further by implying the person should be forced to remove the shirt or cover it up. You would have no legal standing at all for requesting that. If the person were an employee, they could be fired. That is legal. But you have no such control over a passenger. IMHO, but IANAL! ;)

bman1002 Jan 22, 2019 1:58 pm
Originally Posted by topman (Post 30686273)
Apparently several Global Services pax made these and wear it on their UA flights.
Several passengers? Did they work at the same company and happened to be on the same flight? Seems like a lot of work to coordinate.

malgudi Jan 22, 2019 2:47 pm
Originally Posted by OccasionalFlyerPerson (Post 30686966)
Couldn't you just fix the WiFi instead?
That's too hard. Easier to get worked up over "profanity" that this guy NEVER uses at all. NEVER! :rolleyes:


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