Strategy for buying F fares on company dime
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On a more sophisticated system, the TA simply enters the allowable fare and fare basis in a miscellaneous field and either charges the corporate card or, in the case of a business where employees charge a personal card and are then reimbursed. Anything above that is run against the personal card. That miscellaneous field is tied to the general ledger of the business just as the total fare field would be in a less enlightened employer's system.
If this is an employer billing a client, all of this is described in a fully transparent entry in the client-billing software. Again, all automated, so no real costs.
All of the above takes one set of programming and creates a lot of employee goodwill for no cost other than the one initial investment in programming.
If this is an employer billing a client, all of this is described in a fully transparent entry in the client-billing software. Again, all automated, so no real costs.
All of the above takes one set of programming and creates a lot of employee goodwill for no cost other than the one initial investment in programming.
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On a more sophisticated system, the TA simply enters the allowable fare and fare basis in a miscellaneous field and either charges the corporate card or, in the case of a business where employees charge a personal card and are then reimbursed. Anything above that is run against the personal card. That miscellaneous field is tied to the general ledger of the business just as the total fare field would be in a less enlightened employer's system.
If this is an employer billing a client, all of this is described in a fully transparent entry in the client-billing software. Again, all automated, so no real costs.
All of the above takes one set of programming and creates a lot of employee goodwill for no cost other than the one initial investment in programming.
If this is an employer billing a client, all of this is described in a fully transparent entry in the client-billing software. Again, all automated, so no real costs.
All of the above takes one set of programming and creates a lot of employee goodwill for no cost other than the one initial investment in programming.
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"How do you document the cost of the E ticket?" -- what I do is a partial booking, and print out (to PDF or on paper and then scan) the record showing the cost of the E Ticket, and submit that for reimbursement. I then go ahead and book the ticket with an upgrade to F or J (whether miles or cash).
This only works if your employer (1) allows you to use personal credit card for work travel; and (2) does not ask to see the boarding pass. YMMV!
This only works if your employer (1) allows you to use personal credit card for work travel; and (2) does not ask to see the boarding pass. YMMV!
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As for me, I have my own company now and am far happier booking travel my way rather than through some dumbed down site like Concur or American Express. What I do is book in economy, save the pdf of the United receipt and then same day change it to an up-fared ticket if I so desire. I then submit the original receipt for the lower fare when I bill the customer. They have never asked for something as obsolete as a paper boarding pass.
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My company does not have corporate cards, so we pay for everything on a personal card and submit for reimbursement. Are you suggesting booking an F ticket but submit for reimbursement for the E ticket? If so, how do you document the cost of the E ticket? Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding that you're simply suggesting submitting the original TA record for an E ticket and then paying for F separately (currently what I do).
You need to ask someone at your company (1) if this is allowed, and, if so (2) what would be considered sufficient documentation.
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Any changes to the ticket, even on your own card were reported to the company. Those changes included no cost upgrades to the cabin. The company had a flat out ban on flying domestic first / International business. Using miles or your own card to upgrade cabins was shown to the company and I had at least one call from HR asking me to explain why I flew business to Asia on my own dime. Automatic receipts to the company expense system meant that the total cost of the ticket had to be accounted for. Exceeding a certain percentage for personal expenses on an expense report triggered an HR audit flag
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They may not want that one employee flies in more comfort than another employee, because it could create friction in a team; of course, those who make the rules, C-Suite and HR, can fly in more comfort.
Or they may want to avoid even the slightest hint of doubt that a client could have about how his budget is spent, not everyone understands upgrades as good as we do. Related to this, they may not want to be associated with premium travel at all because it could create an image that the corp wastes money on frills.
There could be many other reasons. It really depends a lot on the market you are in and the type of customer you're dealing with, for some it's a big issue (for example, when taxpayer money is involved), for others, it's less an issue or not an issue at all (Silicon Valley, oil industry).
To be sure, my opinion as well is that any employee should be free to upgrade his travel on his own dime, without repercussion.
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In my experience, all of the reasons cited by @mozilla, plus one more: Exceptions cost money. Not necessarily in increased direct travel costs, but the indirect cost of processing the exception. Any time a flag is raised, someone has to review the reason why and determine whether its an acceptable reason. When you have a large company with hundreds or thousands of people travelling each week, reviewing exceptions is a very real and very large indirect cost.
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My company does not have corporate cards, so we pay for everything on a personal card and submit for reimbursement. Are you suggesting booking an F ticket but submit for reimbursement for the E ticket? If so, how do you document the cost of the E ticket? Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding that you're simply suggesting submitting the original TA record for an E ticket and then paying for F separately (currently what I do).
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My main employer does not request the boarding passes but my other employers (in Europe and Asia) do request them. So, that method would not work very well as the PNR number would be different. But none object to the boarding pass showing a seat in Business if they only have to reimburse the Economy fare.
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I've always booked a ticket as soon as I determined I needed to travel and have been successful getting lower fares. I always wait to get the email confirmation before then attempting to upfare or apply a GPU/RPU. When I do, I sometimes get another email from the travel provider notifying me of a change in my booking and showing "BUSINESS" for fare class. Only challenge in upfaring is if you have to cancel or change your trip - then things can get messy. My employer's travel system just looks to see if I accepted the lowest coach fare offered. There's no issue with what I do afterwards on my own dime.
In a previous job, I saw some travelers intentionally wait until the last minute to book their tickets, as a way to book a higher fare (and sometimes upgradable M or B fares) while complying with the "lowest fare" requirement. An astute manager should track the time between approving travel to when it was booked. Granted, this strategy increases the likelihood of a middle Y seat if not upgraded, but produces higher PQD and upgrade priority.
In a previous job, I saw some travelers intentionally wait until the last minute to book their tickets, as a way to book a higher fare (and sometimes upgradable M or B fares) while complying with the "lowest fare" requirement. An astute manager should track the time between approving travel to when it was booked. Granted, this strategy increases the likelihood of a middle Y seat if not upgraded, but produces higher PQD and upgrade priority.
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I've always booked a ticket as soon as I determined I needed to travel and have been successful getting lower fares. I always wait to get the email confirmation before then attempting to upfare or apply a GPU/RPU. When I do, I sometimes get another email from the travel provider notifying me of a change in my booking and showing "BUSINESS" for fare class. Only challenge in upfaring is if you have to cancel or change your trip - then things can get messy. My employer's travel system just looks to see if I accepted the lowest coach fare offered. There's no issue with what I do afterwards on my own dime.
In a previous job, I saw some travelers intentionally wait until the last minute to book their tickets, as a way to book a higher fare (and sometimes upgradable M or B fares) while complying with the "lowest fare" requirement. An astute manager should track the time between approving travel to when it was booked. Granted, this strategy increases the likelihood of a middle Y seat if not upgraded, but produces higher PQD and upgrade priority.
In a previous job, I saw some travelers intentionally wait until the last minute to book their tickets, as a way to book a higher fare (and sometimes upgradable M or B fares) while complying with the "lowest fare" requirement. An astute manager should track the time between approving travel to when it was booked. Granted, this strategy increases the likelihood of a middle Y seat if not upgraded, but produces higher PQD and upgrade priority.
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#43
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Guess this wouldn't work too well using AMEX. I remember my last job made use use AMEX (with a corporate card), and they typically were just a major PITA to do anything with versus just booking it on your own.
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My main employer does not request the boarding passes but my other employers (in Europe and Asia) do request them. So, that method would not work very well as the PNR number would be different. But none object to the boarding pass showing a seat in Business if they only have to reimburse the Economy fare.
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