Why not a LAX/SFO-SYD double daily?
Dec 26, 2018, 1:44 pm
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What I have heard is that they are looking at an upgauge on SFO-SYD to the 77W. I’d personally love this, because even buying a J fare has become so challenging at certain times — close in I often can’t book the departure day that I want, and end up paying full J. They could easily fill the extra 12 J seats on a 77W at peak times and not create yield challenges.
Dec 26, 2018, 2:48 pm
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They're looking at SFO-BNE of course, which would make more sense than even more capacity to SYD as they'd have a monopoly on the route. Given the poor performance of IAHSYD, they need to be cautious on adding even more capacity. SFOSYD, or maybe even more likely, LAXSYD would be expected to get an UPG to the new C seats (reconfigured 772's?) once the 787-10 aircraft enter the fleet and remove pressure on the Europe capacity.
Dec 26, 2018, 5:43 pm
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I would surmise that the majority of the passengers (those down the back of the bus) going Australia - US are staying in Southern California os Las Vegas. For them, the early morning arrival does not make much sense, as they usually can't get into their accommodation until mid to late afternoon. Also, I can't see the logic in having so many flights coming into SYD, it certainly isn't the main tourist destination in Australia. For those staying in SYD from flights arriving early in the morning, you have the same situation with accommodation. It seems to me that the timings are mainly for those at the pointy end.
Dec 26, 2018, 7:42 pm
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I would rather see ord-syd
air NZ can make ord-Akl so a little tweaking and Chicago Sydney would be fantastic
air NZ can make ord-Akl so a little tweaking and Chicago Sydney would be fantastic
Dec 26, 2018, 8:32 pm
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UA doesn’t fly an aircraft that’s capable of ORD-SYD commercial service. It’s 450 miles longer than LAX-SIN, which proved to be too far to be profitable.
Dec 27, 2018, 12:43 am
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the main point is “ profitable” here are lots of good ideas but in he end they need to make money
how is Qantas doing with the Perth London loading?
Dec 27, 2018, 2:35 am
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Dec 27, 2018, 9:39 am
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I wouldn't be surprised if there is an engine PIP for the 789 that could make it work.
Dec 27, 2018, 10:10 am
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I would surmise that the majority of the passengers (those down the back of the bus) going Australia - US are staying in Southern California os Las Vegas. For them, the early morning arrival does not make much sense, as they usually can't get into their accommodation until mid to late afternoon.
Dec 27, 2018, 10:47 am
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I would surmise that the majority of the passengers (those down the back of the bus) going Australia - US are staying in Southern California os Las Vegas. For them, the early morning arrival does not make much sense, as they usually can't get into their accommodation until mid to late afternoon. Also, I can't see the logic in having so many flights coming into SYD, it certainly isn't the main tourist destination in Australia. For those staying in SYD from flights arriving early in the morning, you have the same situation with accommodation. It seems to me that the timings are mainly for those at the pointy end.
Dec 27, 2018, 11:01 am
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If that's true, they're only staying in LA because that's where the flights go. Many/most of those people will continue to their desired destinations after a day or two. And I would certainly not assume Las Vegas is a big attraction to Australians.
Dec 27, 2018, 6:04 pm
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You only have to check ANY of the Australian travel sites to see that this isn't the case. ALL have LA, LV, & the grand canyon as their headline US tours, usually with a couple of days in Disneyland as well.
Dec 28, 2018, 12:23 am
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The 777-200LR might be able to make this distance, and the 350-900ULR definitely could; it’s shorter than EWR-SIN. But UA has neither.
The 777-8 might be able to do it. UA doesn’t currently have any orders for it, but Boeing will be pushing it hard as UA attempts to figure out the long-term replacement for the current 772s.