Partial Rollback (for AC) of P Fare PQM Reduction (Real or Typo?)
Dec 16, 2018, 7:49 pm
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Partial Rollback (for AC) of P Fare PQM Reduction (Real or Typo?)
Hello again,
Whilst checking the milage accruals for a recent AC flight I had I noticed that UA updated the PQM accrual table once again. Effective January 1, 2019 a P fare can either earn 150% or 200% PQM depending on if the P fare is considered "Business" (200%) or "Discount Business" (150%). Any ideas how UA would make that determination and how we as customers can spot the fairest fare? Here's to hoping that UA sees the light and realizes that P means business!
Safe Travels,
James
Whilst checking the milage accruals for a recent AC flight I had I noticed that UA updated the PQM accrual table once again. Effective January 1, 2019 a P fare can either earn 150% or 200% PQM depending on if the P fare is considered "Business" (200%) or "Discount Business" (150%). Any ideas how UA would make that determination and how we as customers can spot the fairest fare? Here's to hoping that UA sees the light and realizes that P means business!
Safe Travels,
James
Dec 16, 2018, 8:04 pm
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-James
Dec 16, 2018, 8:09 pm
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Woukd it be better to post the question in the AC Forum?
Dec 16, 2018, 8:43 pm
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Dec 16, 2018, 8:46 pm
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It is a typo.
You are incorrect. AC does not have a branded fare called "discount."
The term "discount" in this context is an industry term which means "not full fare." You will sometimes see P referred to as "deep discount." It's all marketing-speak; broadly, you can infer from it that there will be conditions attached. That's all it means.
You're probably thinking of the Latitude / Flex / Tango branded fares. AC has two families for business class: Business Lowest and Business Flexible. However, in the markets where they're in use -- it appears to be restricted to North America for now -- Business Lowest refers to P and Z fares and Business Flexible refers to C, D, and J fares.
More to the point, there are two reasons that I'm certain this is a typo. 1 - UA is not going to give better earnings on partner metal than on their own, especially in a case where they have a JV, and 2 - if this were intentional, they would have called out Latitude, Flex, and Tango economy fares, because that's where the branded fares are currently falling apart.
The term "discount" in this context is an industry term which means "not full fare." You will sometimes see P referred to as "deep discount." It's all marketing-speak; broadly, you can infer from it that there will be conditions attached. That's all it means.
You're probably thinking of the Latitude / Flex / Tango branded fares. AC has two families for business class: Business Lowest and Business Flexible. However, in the markets where they're in use -- it appears to be restricted to North America for now -- Business Lowest refers to P and Z fares and Business Flexible refers to C, D, and J fares.
More to the point, there are two reasons that I'm certain this is a typo. 1 - UA is not going to give better earnings on partner metal than on their own, especially in a case where they have a JV, and 2 - if this were intentional, they would have called out Latitude, Flex, and Tango economy fares, because that's where the branded fares are currently falling apart.
Dec 16, 2018, 8:52 pm
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Was AC N always 150%? That tugs at my memory as the thing that changed most recently, but I don't have an old table to compare.
Dec 16, 2018, 11:02 pm
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Dec 17, 2018, 5:36 am
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It's a typo. It never changed, when they moved P to 150% they forgot to remove if from the 200% line. Has been that way since they made the change. Not important enough for UA to fix.
Jan 7, 2019, 7:58 am
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I am very confused with the new P class PQM earning while flying Air Canada metal!
On the chart it says earning PQM for P is 200% underneath it it says again P is earning 150% PQM, so which % is the correct one?
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ir-canada.html
On the chart it says earning PQM for P is 200% underneath it it says again P is earning 150% PQM, so which % is the correct one?
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ir-canada.html
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jan 7, 2019 at 1:14 pm Reason: Moved to existing thread
Jan 7, 2019, 8:11 am
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I am very confused with the new P class PQM earning while flying Air Canada metal!
On the chart it says earning PQM for P is 200% underneath it it says again P is earning 150% PQM, so which % is the correct one?
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ir-canada.html
On the chart it says earning PQM for P is 200% underneath it it says again P is earning 150% PQM, so which % is the correct one?
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly...ir-canada.html
150%.