Premium Plus (Premium Economy) seats and Experience
May 12, 2019, 6:10 pm
#541
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How do you want an answer to "How bad are ..... ?" beyond what you know already -- PP has wider seats, more pitch and more recline, better food, .... what those mean to any one person is subjective. If you value a window higher than those, then that is what you should chose.
Or was this a rhetorical question?
Or was this a rhetorical question?
I get it though -- my question probably isn't specific enough. I guess I'm just nervous about using myself as a guinea pig on an 11 hr flight. Seems like a high risk kind of decision. First world problems, maybe, but I do not like economy.
May 12, 2019, 6:22 pm
#542
Join Date: Nov 2014
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May 13, 2019, 1:05 am
#543
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No, I've never sat in one of them. I also have flown enough to know that you can only tell so much from width and pitch numbers (particularly pitch -- it seems only loosely correlated with legroom)
I get it though -- my question probably isn't specific enough. I guess I'm just nervous about using myself as a guinea pig on an 11 hr flight. Seems like a high risk kind of decision. First world problems, maybe, but I do not like economy.
I get it though -- my question probably isn't specific enough. I guess I'm just nervous about using myself as a guinea pig on an 11 hr flight. Seems like a high risk kind of decision. First world problems, maybe, but I do not like economy.
1) PP bulkhead window
2) PP bulkhead aisle
3) PP non-bulkhead window
4) PP non-bulkhead aisle
5) PP bulkhead middle
6) PP non-bulkhead middle
7) E+ non-bulkhead window
8) E+ non-bulkhead aisle
9) E+ bulkhead window
10) E+ bulkhead aisle
11) E+ bulkhead middle
12) E+ non-bulkhead middle
Yes, I have rated PP ahead of E+ in every single seat scenario, including middle over window/aisle. Comparative speaking, I have had better experience in PP bulkhead seating vs. PP non-bulkhead seating than E+ bulkhead seating vs. non-bulkhead seating, thus the higher ranking of PP bulkhead over PP non-bulkhead and E+ non-bulkhead over E+ buckhead.
Based on PP seat time of 787-10 (2-3-2), 772 (2-4-2),, and 77W (2-4-2).
May 13, 2019, 5:38 am
#544
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I have not sat in the 10 across PP refitted E+. But judging from what I see, sardines is a word that kept coming to mind as I navigated myself through the very much narrower aisles. It looks absolutely appalling and I couldn't care less if all airlines are doing this, it is still appalling looking to me and I am expecting miserable experiences in my future. Hopefully I am massively wrong.
May 13, 2019, 6:24 am
#545
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Munich, Germany
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So it seems UA finally introduces a real Premium Economy product with Premium Plus. I checked out their website and it looks quite decent. My question is does anyone have a timetable for retrofitting the fleet. I will fly Papeete - San Francisco in January 2020 on a 787-8 and bought an upgrade to E+. Any chance the 787-8 fleet will be retrofitted until then?
May 13, 2019, 7:34 am
#546
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About the only comparison I'd be interested in (which UA is not flying) is a bulkhead or extra legroom Y seat versus a PE middle seat on a 350 where the carrier went with the sardine 2-4-2 PE layout.
Zero chance. The 788s are at the end of the line for mods, and PPT is going to be near dead last for receiving premium hard products.
So it seems UA finally introduces a real Premium Economy product with Premium Plus. I checked out their website and it looks quite decent. My question is does anyone have a timetable for retrofitting the fleet. I will fly Papeete - San Francisco in January 2020 on a 787-8 and bought an upgrade to E+. Any chance the 787-8 fleet will be retrofitted until then?
May 13, 2019, 9:41 am
#547
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Long Beach, CA
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No, I've never sat in one of them. I also have flown enough to know that you can only tell so much from width and pitch numbers (particularly pitch -- it seems only loosely correlated with legroom)
I get it though -- my question probably isn't specific enough. I guess I'm just nervous about using myself as a guinea pig on an 11 hr flight. Seems like a high risk kind of decision. First world problems, maybe, but I do not like economy.
I get it though -- my question probably isn't specific enough. I guess I'm just nervous about using myself as a guinea pig on an 11 hr flight. Seems like a high risk kind of decision. First world problems, maybe, but I do not like economy.
May 14, 2019, 6:34 am
#549
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You will have two meals served - one shortly after departure, and another before arrival. Also snacks mid-flight.
May 15, 2019, 9:06 am
#550
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Central New Jersey
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Opp, spoke too soon. The $9.00 just showed up on my AMEX! Anyone know if I can still use those UA drink certs, I have tons of them, but they show an expiration date of 2013?
May 15, 2019, 12:02 pm
#551
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But should be no need for SFO/LAX<>EWR or SFO<>BOS if in E+. If the FA is unfamiliar, just ask them to check with the other FAs. You just got an undertrained FA.
And, separately for 1Ks/GSs, they always get free drinks / food in all domestic flights
May 15, 2019, 7:21 pm
#553
Join Date: Dec 2007
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One way seems to book into full fare premium plus for Europe routings.
May 15, 2019, 7:32 pm
#554
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Why are international OWs so expensive, such high fare classes?
You will need to be looking at LCCs.
May 15, 2019, 9:41 pm
#555
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No, not sure what is making the one-way Y price so insanely low.