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If I had to guess the likelihood of this happening is low due to the ANA JV. Off the top of my head, I can only think of DPS as a notable hole in the ANA SE Asia network. Where UA and SQ should partner up is secondary Indian cities - apologies if we are saying the same thing but I think of India as a separate region from SE Asia.
Originally Posted by UA_Flyer
(Post 30277311)
Agree on codesharing on SQ’s Southeast Asia flights!
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30276710)
Now if only they would do some serious codesharing with SQ . . . .
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Originally Posted by entropy
(Post 30275634)
but in general, SIN has historically been hard to get to due to how darn far away it is, the longer range (and more efficient) aircraft help that. Given there is a strong financial sector as well as high tech and research there, its not too surprising, but nice to see of course!
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Originally Posted by 764toHI
(Post 30278763)
If I had to guess the likelihood of this happening is low due to the ANA JV. Off the top of my head, I can only think of DPS as a notable hole in the ANA SE Asia network.
As a practical matter, UA not codesharing with SQ can be the difference between flying UA or choosing another carrier (e.g., SQ, CX, or BR) that offers more attractive options to SE Asia. That's been my story this year. |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30279049)
I don't disagree from UA's perspective, but from the passenger's perspective, SIN is an attractive connection point for most of SE Asia. And NH's use of regional aircraft on many routes is a big negative. The timing of the TYO flights is also an issue - if you're going to SE Asia, you get a late night arrival (from the US), and an early morning departure (back to US). While that works for some, others (including me) prefer the opposite.
I've started taking a lot more risky UA + BR connections in TPE for this very reason. Even though it's a separate ticket, and I run the connection risk, it's USUALLY ok, and I can get to many SEAsia destinations a few hours earlier than via TYO. When that's the difference between getting to my hotel at 11pm or midnight, versus 1 or 2am, it's a fairly significant difference indeed! |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30276710)
Singapore is a great layover, too. Perfect city for a day and a half.
UA will do even better on this route when it has Polaris seats on the 789. Now if only they would do some serious codesharing with SQ . . . . There's a reason why SQ's codeshares in US are on AS and not UA ;) |
Originally Posted by EmailKid
(Post 30279298)
They just don't play well together @:-)
There's a reason why SQ's codeshares in US are on AS and not UA ;) Still, between UA preferring to put people on NH and SQ preferring to have people fly SQ metal TPAC, it's hard for me to see there being a huge market for UA codeshares on short-haul SQ flights (or for UA fares that allow the use of those same SQ flights; the codeshare isn't really necessary). |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30279049)
I don't disagree from UA's perspective, but from the passenger's perspective, SIN is an attractive connection point for most of SE Asia. And NH's use of regional aircraft on many routes longer than 5 hours is a big negative. The timing of the TYO flights is also an issue - if you're going to SE Asia, you get a late night arrival (from the US), and an early morning departure (back to US). While that works for some, others (including me) prefer the opposite.
As a practical matter, UA not codesharing with SQ can be the difference between flying UA or choosing another carrier (e.g., SQ, CX, or BR) that offers more attractive options to SE Asia. That's been my story this year. |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30278364)
There is a hell of a lot of high tech/bio-tech traffic between the bay area and SIN, and I don't doubt that UA can run a very profitable flight on this route. However, as SQ continues to fly more comfortable aircraft (A350 with PE and better Y and J seats) and as it adds this very month (October) flights to LAX and EWR, and ups its flights ex-SFO to 10x week (27 total from the three airports) it will clearly impact UA's bottom line.
UA is able to pull traffic via SFO because their is no other good one stop service to SIN from most other cities, but SQ will provide direct competition via two gate ways on the west coast, and will provide a vastly superior experience ex-NYC area. Some if not most of the high value traffic from the East (BOS/NYC, etc) that UA is currently getting for the SFO-SIN flight will go away. It will be interesting to see if UA cuts back to a daily flight (from two) as SQ ramps up its expanded service with better soft and hard product. |
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 30279359)
Still, between UA preferring to put people on NH and SQ preferring to have people fly SQ metal TPAC, it's hard for me to see there being a huge market for UA codeshares on short-haul SQ flights (or for UA fares that allow the use of those same SQ flights; the codeshare isn't really necessary).
Not saying it will happen. The comment which sparked this discussion was aspirational, not predictive. |
There will be 13 additional 787-9 scheduled to be delivered to UA from 2020 onwards.
Originally Posted by SS255
(Post 30279627)
If UA retreats and reverts to one daily flight, it will free up an aircraft for SFO/LAX-BKK. :D |
Originally Posted by 764toHI
(Post 30279669)
There will be 13 additional 787-9 scheduled to be delivered to UA from 2020 onwards.
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Originally Posted by PsiFighter37
(Post 30280086)
789 is too much plane for the routes plied by 763/764
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Yikes! Looking to travel SFO-SIN Dec 15th - Jan 6th. The lowest fare on the non stop flight is approx $7.5k (the other option is $10k).
Don't recall it being this high in previous years(s). |
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 30279637)
I think there's a business case on both sides - UA would pick up business that would otherwise fly other carriers TPAC, while SQ would pick up connecting traffic that would otherwise route through TYO on NH.
Not saying it will happen. The comment which sparked this discussion was aspirational, not predictive. And on the other end, SQ has no shortage of options (except at IAH, where they do code share) which is happy to take the feed and evidently offer a better deal than UA is. If SQ were to fly into DEN or into ORD, Then i would expect them to code share, but not ex-SFO. |
Originally Posted by spin88
(Post 30280368)
And given that UA has an incentive to route the traffic via the ANA JV, the rates that UA is going to give is not going to be favorable.
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