UA to operate 6 TATL markets with 78J from EWR; increase GUM-Japan flying
Sep 19, 2018, 12:28 pm
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I'd be interested in what new GUM-Japan flying there is. Over time we've lost GUM-OKA/KIJ/OKJ/SDJ/HIJ, and seen GUM-NRT go to all 737. I'd bet we might see a return of the 777HD to GUM-NRT, but I'd also love to see UA add in SPN-NRT (especially since DL pulled out), ROR-NRT (ditto), SPN-KIX as well. Some form of triangle route GUM-NRT-SPN-NRT-GUM might be best.
Sep 19, 2018, 12:38 pm
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Sep 19, 2018, 12:43 pm
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Yeah, the high-J 763 seems tailor-made for LHR. My real argument against seeing a 78J at LHR is just because if they wanted that kind of capacity on any of the LHR frequencies they would already have stuck a 777 on it.
Sep 19, 2018, 12:54 pm
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I think the 6 routes will be DUB/BCN/FCO/CDG(2x)/LIS. I'm thinking routes with a lot of tourist traffic and not necessarily too much J traffic, as those routes would warrant a 772 or 77W for the extra J seats.
Sep 19, 2018, 3:52 pm
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Most of the “obvious” routes are 764 this summer (or today), including 4x LHR with the other 752.
I’m going to guess LHR, BRU, CDG, TLV, FRA, MUC. But with TLV losing 77W, and the two daily being 78J and Polaris/PE 772. Other equipment adjustments may need to be made, maybe in conjunction with the JV partners (LH) for NYC (that’s both EWR and JFK).
UA must have put the 772HD on DUB and MAD/BCN(?) this year for a reason, and I’m guessing non high yielding pax. I may be totally wrong but I don’t see them getting 78J (though 2 weeks ago my 772HD from HNL-SFO was swapped last minute to 77W).
I’m going to guess LHR, BRU, CDG, TLV, FRA, MUC. But with TLV losing 77W, and the two daily being 78J and Polaris/PE 772. Other equipment adjustments may need to be made, maybe in conjunction with the JV partners (LH) for NYC (that’s both EWR and JFK).
UA must have put the 772HD on DUB and MAD/BCN(?) this year for a reason, and I’m guessing non high yielding pax. I may be totally wrong but I don’t see them getting 78J (though 2 weeks ago my 772HD from HNL-SFO was swapped last minute to 77W).
I have nothing to back this up on, but I think maybe the 777HD to MAD and BCN were for the uptick in tourists each summer, perhaps UA didn't have the right fleet in summer 2018 to cover the Atlantic or they can easily sell 300 seats a day from EWR to BCN/MAD. I think the 78J's would be better to Spain because they still have a huge economy section and only fly once a day from NYC and IAD. Whereas EWR-LHR is 5 flights daily. I guess we'll soon see!
Star Alliance is weak in Spain and it is really much nicer to fly nonstop their rather than backtracking from Frankfurt, Geneva, Munich or Zurich. I have a friend who lives near Malaga and that is always a painful trip on Star Alliance.
Sep 19, 2018, 4:04 pm
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Sep 19, 2018, 5:36 pm
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This is precisely why I don't think EWR-LHR is going to see any 78J flying - they could have easily put more capacity using the existing fleet. Instead, they chose to go with incremental upgauge (switching out most 763s to 764s). Maybe a different story once they put 4x low-density 763s...then I would run a 78J for the last frequency. I'm not convinced there is enough premium J to fill the front on the morning EWR-LHR frequency (although someone can correct me if I'm wrong).
Sep 19, 2018, 7:07 pm
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EWR-LHR is only 757 on 1-2 frequencies for a few weeks at a time in the off-season. All summer it was 3-4x 764 and 1-2x 763. Only the daytime IAD-LHR and early LHR-IAD have a 757 on a year-round basis, and is the only daylight westbound flight in the DC area.
I wonder if the 21 PE seats and 46 additional Y seats, plus the 'sweet spot' distance for the 78J move the needle in favor of replacing the 777, which, despite more J seats, has higher trip costs.
I’ll be contrarian and say EWR TLV for 787-10 has little chance, not because of the range, but because of the relatively low J count of *just* 44
sounds gigantic compared to a 20J on AA reconfigured 788, but not all that compared to UA 60J 77W 48J 789 50J 77E
ever since AA thought we’re dumb enough to buy their alternative fact about TLV being a major loss leader, the actions of both DL and UA has shown time and again why they have strong confidence in TLV. 44J for a market bursting at the seams just feels to me like leaving money on the table.
On separate note, I concur with usbusinesstraveler that the super low J 772HD routes like DUB BCN just don’t seem to be a natural fit to go 180° and send 787-10 to.
ps: staring at the wiki on top of 77W route master thread and can’t find any mention of EWR TLV losing 77W... did I miss the announcement ?
sounds gigantic compared to a 20J on AA reconfigured 788, but not all that compared to UA 60J 77W 48J 789 50J 77E
ever since AA thought we’re dumb enough to buy their alternative fact about TLV being a major loss leader, the actions of both DL and UA has shown time and again why they have strong confidence in TLV. 44J for a market bursting at the seams just feels to me like leaving money on the table.
On separate note, I concur with usbusinesstraveler that the super low J 772HD routes like DUB BCN just don’t seem to be a natural fit to go 180° and send 787-10 to.
ps: staring at the wiki on top of 77W route master thread and can’t find any mention of EWR TLV losing 77W... did I miss the announcement ?
Sep 20, 2018, 3:51 am
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Assuming that capacity will remain the same, they could run 3 78Js EWR-LHR, and then 2of the new Heavy-J 763s, to balance the J / Y ratio. Also, EWR-CDG could use 1 and 1, the 78J for more Y customers and the Heavy-J 763 to balance the ratio.
I agree that other good uses for the 78J are leisure markets with low J / Y ratios. DUB/BCN come to mind since they already have a low J count.
I agree that other good uses for the 78J are leisure markets with low J / Y ratios. DUB/BCN come to mind since they already have a low J count.
Sep 20, 2018, 5:11 am
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Sep 20, 2018, 9:25 am
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AC uses the awful Rouge to BCN so *A options could use some help (I'm a bit over backtracking on LH/LX).
Sep 20, 2018, 1:44 pm
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Sep 20, 2018, 2:29 pm
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To avoid backtracking, one can always fly via *A hub in LIS which provides lots of Spanish connections: MAD, BCN, LCG, ALC, AGP, BIO, SVQ (and probably a few others I missed). Granted, you'll be flying TP but I would say *A still has somewhat good coverage on the Iberian peninsula after the demise of JK.
