Connecting an award segment ticket to a regular fare ticket
I will be flying from Philadelphia PA to Cape Town via Washington (IAD) and Frankfurt on August 8th with a return in late November out of Cape Town to Chicago. The US to Frankfurt is on United metal; Frankfurt to/from Cape Town is Lufthansa.
Booking a regular fare ticket (economy) approximates $2,135 RT. This includes a choice of either a 2:37pm>334p arr at IAD, or an 8:05p>9:06p arr at IAD (both flights are Mesa). United flight to Frankfurt is at 10:05p. If I book the 8:05p I'll have about an hour to make the Frankfurt flight. Otherwise taking the earlier flight means a 6+ hr layover, but assures I won't have concern about making the FRA flight. Two Questions: Baggage: I can book the PHL>IAD using Award Saver (10K/$5.60). This lowers my ticket to Cape Town etc. to $1,836 or almost $300 saving. I presume I can link the Award Saver tx and the Economy fare ticket so my bags travel from Phila to Cape Town. Is that correct? Which leads me to my 2nd question - Connection. If I book the late flight via Award Saver and for whatever reason that flight is delayed leading to a missed FRA flight, would I incur a $$ penalty for the missed flight? And while I'm at it there's a related question here about upgrading the inbound portion of this Aug/Nov ticket: I expect to be back to 1K status by early November. As my return flight out of Cape Town to ORD is late November, seems I would have to book this August/November ticket at an economy fare class that allows the use of a GPU on either Lufthansa to FRA and United to ORD. My question: Can I book the outbound of this ticket at a lower economy class (as I'm not 1K at this time) and the inbound at a higher economy class to allow me the use of the GPU when it becomes available in early November? Appreciate any help here. Thanks! |
You cannot combine separate bookings into one itinerary. If all the bookings are with UA and there is a misconnect on separate itineraries, they may take mercy, but they don't have any obligation to do so. This is somewhat risky, though. Personally, I have done things like this, but with more than two hours connection time. When IRROPS have occurred, I have been able to find alternate routings that allow the connection, and UA has made sure I got onto them. This was done with status.
Separately, if you wish to book different fare classes on outbound and inbound, assuming there are combineable fares filed, that is fine. |
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
I presume I can link the Award Saver tx and the Economy fare ticket so my bags travel from Phila to Cape Town. Is that correct?
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
Which leads me to my 2nd question - Connection. If I book the late flight via Award Saver and for whatever reason that flight is delayed leading to a missed FRA flight, would I incur a $$ penalty for the missed flight?
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
Can I book the outbound of this ticket at a lower economy class (as I'm not 1K at this time) and the inbound at a higher economy class to allow me the use of the GPU when it becomes available in early November?
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Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
....Two Questions: Baggage: I can book the PHL>IAD using Award Saver (10K/$5.60). This lowers my ticket to Cape Town etc. to $1,836 or almost $300 saving. I presume I can link the Award Saver tx and the Economy fare ticket so my bags travel from Phila to Cape Town. Is that correct? ...
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
Which leads me to my 2nd question - Connection. .If I book the late flight via Award Saver and for whatever reason that flight is delayed leading to a missed FRA flight, would I incur a $$ penalty for the missed flight? ....
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the input!
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Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 29909451)
Well, what I'd actually do is drive or take the train and start the trip from Washington. :)
For many of my international trips, the UA booking website lets me combine different fares for the outbound and inbounds without me having to do any special search. It just gives me what's available. Sometimes, it even offers me the option of combining an Economy fare for the outbound and a Business fare for the inbound or the opposite. |
Originally Posted by StuckinITH
(Post 29909772)
I don't know but wouldn't that be a very long drive? :)
Originally Posted by StuckinITH
(Post 29909772)
For many of my international trips, the UA booking website lets me combine different fares for the outbound and inbounds without me having to do any special search.
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1. The issues relate to tickets, not journeys, PNR's, or anything else. Try to stay way from jargon when dealing with UA as it only confuses and also runs the risk that you get the right answers to the wrong questions.
2. UA will check bags across tickets. As others note, it can take some time. Especially at a major hub such as PHL. Have a hard copy printout of the e-ticket receipt (not itinerary) for your onward flight handy for the supervisor who prints your bag tags. 3. There are significant risks here, Yes, UA will generally rebook you if you no show for a separate ticket. But, it has no obligation to do so and you presumably have LH segments in your ticket, at least x FRA and potentially x IAD. That may be a real impediment and you have to be prepared to have your tickets cancelled and deal with purchasing new ones. 4. You also need to understand that PHL-IAD and other micro-hops are the first flights cancelled or delayed during IRROPS in the WAS-NYC corridor. Even on a single ticket where you are entitled to be rebooked, this is risky as availability may be terrible. I would strongly advise you either to drive or to take a train to NYP and then an Uber out to IAD. |
Yes...will book the earlier PHL>IAD flight. 6+ hrs in the United lounge at Dulles can't be all that bad ;)
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 29909788)
From Philadelphia? It's 135 miles from PHL to IAD as the crow flies; Google Maps calls it a 2 1/2 hour drive via I-95. It would likely be faster to drive than to fly, especially if you're going to give yourself a super-long connection time to guard against weather. At worst it's a push.
On the brighter side, 10k miles +$5.60 is a pretty good deal for a flight to IAD. |
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909948)
Driving is not an option as my car is in South Africa.
On the brighter side, 10k miles +$5.60 is a pretty good deal for a flight to IAD. And 6h in an airport lounge isn’t that fun. I was pretty much over the Frankfurt First Class Terminal in 3 hours. At least driving you get to do something and stay active. |
Depending on where you are, it might be wiser to book the ticket out of EWR rather than PHL. That would at least get you the opportunity to get a flight on mainline rather than the smaller planes out of PHL which will be the first delayed if there's the slightest bit of weather in the Philadelphia area. You'd also have more potential rebooking options to get to FRA if things went sideways.
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Originally Posted by JVPhoto
(Post 29910827)
Rent a car? I often do MRY-SFO-MRY rentals because I can get it for about $80-$120 which comes out cheaper than long term parking when I’m gone for 10-15 days. And 6h in an airport lounge isn’t that fun. I was pretty much over the Frankfurt First Class Terminal in 3 hours. At least driving you get to do something and stay active.
Originally Posted by Bluehen1
(Post 29911619)
Depending on where you are, it might be wiser to book the ticket out of EWR rather than PHL. That would at least get you the opportunity to get a flight on mainline rather than the smaller planes out of PHL which will be the first delayed if there's the slightest bit of weather in the Philadelphia area. You'd also have more potential rebooking options to get to FRA if things went sideways.
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Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909938)
Yes...will book the earlier PHL>IAD flight. 6+ hrs in the United lounge at Dulles can't be all that bad ;)
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Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
If I book the 8:05p I'll have about an hour to make the Frankfurt flight.
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
Two Questions: Baggage: I can book the PHL>IAD using Award Saver (10K/$5.60). This lowers my ticket to Cape Town etc. to $1,836 or almost $300 saving. I presume I can link the Award Saver tx and the Economy fare ticket so my bags travel from Phila to Cape Town. Is that correct?
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
Which leads me to my 2nd question - Connection. If I book the late flight via Award Saver and for whatever reason that flight is delayed leading to a missed FRA flight, would I incur a $$ penalty for the missed flight?
Originally Posted by 2stepbay
(Post 29909386)
My question: Can I book the outbound of this ticket at a lower economy class (as I'm not 1K at this time) and the inbound at a higher economy class to allow me the use of the GPU when it becomes available in early November?
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To me, this seems like a really risky way to try and "save" $300.
First, saving $300 is going to cost you 10,000 miles. I'd "value" that at $200 normally, but even at a penny a mile, you're only "saving" $200. Buy one ticket - whether that's because you get to IAD on the ground or pony up the $300. And for the love of god, NEVER book tight international connections, esp. if anything downline on your ticket is one-a-day. A friend of mine was flying ORD-FRA-PRG a couple weeks back, the ORD delayed 90 minutes or so, and a bunch of people connecting to Lagos were IRATE that they missed their Lagos flight and the next one was 2 days later. Yet despite there being 2, 4 and 6 PM ORD-FRA flights available, they booked the 6 PM one with the tight connection. Now, maybe you handle travel stress well and don't care when you actually get there, in which case "saving" $200 might be worth it to you - but I'm normally both of those things and this still seems like it's not worth it. |
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