Jun 6, 2018, 1:40 pm
Last edit by: Kacee
The TATL -LGT Fares will be called Basic Economy Effective 12/11/2018, Additional Restrictions will Apply
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
Will earn 50% PQMs, 100% PQDs, RDMs, Lifetime miles and segment credit toward 4 UA segments needed for elite status
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
United's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
Now even more ways to fly across the Atlantic -- Atlantic Joint Venture offering with Air Canada and Lufthansa Group
New ways to fly across the Atlantic Effective June 5, 2018, United Airlines in line with Atlantic Joint Venture partners Air Canada and Lufthansa Group, will introduce a new fare option in select trans-Atlantic markets.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
Created for our customers who may be more price-sensitive, these lowest-priced fares are the first step towards a Basic Economy product on trans-Atlantic United flights. The fare includes the same inflight experience as standard United Economy but with important restrictions that you'll want to review carefully before booking.
What is the new fare option?
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
For customers traveling between the United States or Canada and select European countries in specific lower Economy booking classes, the new fare option will not include a complimentary first checked baggage allowance, upgrades or the ability to make changes following purchase.
Customers purchasing this fare for travel ticketed and operated on United will be eligible for advance seat assignments, one standard carry-on bag and one personal item, and the same United Economy cabin experience and services, including dining options, Wi-Fi for purchase and inflight entertainment.
What date is the fare option applicable?
The fare option is applicable for first ticket and first travel date on or after June 5, 2018, for all points of sale. The first bag fee does not apply to tickets purchased before June 4, 2018
.
How is the fare option identified?
For all Atlantic joint venture carriers, the last 3 characters of the fare basis code will be -LGT, and the fare type code is ERU/EOU.
For point of origin U. S. the fare is planned for booking classes K , L and T.
For point of origin E.U. and Canada, the fare is planned for booking classes K, L, T, S and W. Booking classes are subject to change and may vary by route.
The fares will vary from market to market and depend on availability. Customers traveling between the U.S. or Canada and Europe will be able to see if this fare is available on their flight when booking.
What are the conditions of the new fare option?
The new fare has some important restrictions compared to a standard United Economy ticket:
• The fare does not include a free baggage allowance for checked baggage.
• The fare is non-refundable and non-changeable except as stated in the United 24-hour flexible booking policy.
• The fare cannot be combined with any other fare type.
• The fare is not eligible for upgrades to a premium cabin (complimentary, purchased or instrument).
Are there any exemptions from the first bag fee?
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
The following customers are exempt from the fee when checking in with United and traveling on United or United Express for the first segment of a trans-Atlantic itinerary:
• MileagePlus Premier members
• Chase MileagePlus cardholders
• Members of the U.S. military
• Star Alliance Gold members
-- BE and TATL BE earns will be the same
BE uses N fares, TATL BE / -LGT can be a number of the lower discount economy fare classes
No changes -- dates, fare class, truly non-refundable ... and no upgrades
Other -LGT restrictions
Normal TATL fares include a free check bag -- -LGT fares do not for non-elites / non-credit card holders
No Premier seating benefits - i.e., no free Economy Plus
To aviod TATL BE fares
ITA Matrix Google Flights -- select 1 Carry-on bag
related threadsUnited's Basic Economy - Discussion, Q&A, ...
Benefit impact of restricted economy fares on UA Elites (Basic Econ, -LGT, Light Econ
TATL Basic Economy (renamed Dec 2018); all BE to earn 50% PQMs, earn 100% PQDs
Feb 6, 2019, 1:56 pm
#376
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Just a quick question. Does this fare only apply to TATL, and not TPAC? I am asking because I just scored a G-Fare on DEN-SYD in the recent sale. The United website shows 100% PQM, PQS and PQD credit, but I’m not sure if it would reflect lesser accruals amount if this was actually a BE fare.
Thanks for any input.
Thanks for any input.
Feb 8, 2019, 11:09 pm
#377
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had a question about whether or not check in time matters for seat assignments with TATL Basic Economy, but after reading the main Basic Economy thread, sounds like check in time doesn't matter. one gets assigned whatever seat the computer assigns.
Last edited by HankAAFlyer; Feb 11, 2019 at 7:58 pm
Feb 13, 2019, 11:28 pm
#378
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These LGT fares qualify for ORC right? I just got IRROP'ed from SEA-SFO-CDG onto SEA-ORD-CDG tomorrow. Website is offering me a slightly later SFO-SEA-CDG routing; not sure if I should keep the new routing since it's technically faster.
Feb 14, 2019, 1:39 am
#380
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I assume accepting the re-route in the new UA app keeps the INVOL status anyway. This will be a rather annoying conversation if it doesn't.
For science!
Edit: my concern is mainly that some overzealous customer service or gate agent will see LGT-fare and credit me the fractional percentage rather than the full PQM as flown that I'd originally booked this under.
Feb 17, 2019, 9:40 pm
#381
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Yes, per the BE TATL FAQ:
My guess, and other members in the FT community can chime in here, is that the UA will consider each BE segment as a segment for the purpose of the 4 segment minimum and BIS will accrue at 100% similar to how it currently is (i.e. class of service doesn't impact BIS accrual nor # of segments towards 4 segment minimum).
My guess, and other members in the FT community can chime in here, is that the UA will consider each BE segment as a segment for the purpose of the 4 segment minimum and BIS will accrue at 100% similar to how it currently is (i.e. class of service doesn't impact BIS accrual nor # of segments towards 4 segment minimum).
Feb 19, 2019, 9:07 am
#382
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I doubt they would have made this announcement without a plan in place to convey that information. UA and LH are tightly integrated for TATL flights. All that's really involved is adding information about the branded fare to the ticket information along with everything else (route, booking class, etc.). My guess is that they're making use of the recent introduction of a branded fare product by the ATPCO*. The ticket includes the fare basis; the fare basis would indicate that it's a Light/BE branded fare, and accrual would be calculated at 50%. (As an aside, I expect that UA will eventually get around to giving 25% for domestic AC Tango fares instead of trying to figure that out based on fare class too).
TL/DR: Expect 50% PQM
TL/DR: Expect 50% PQM
Booking: Economy Light LH (=BE) flights (booking class K) booked in January via LH website, credited to UA.
What I should have received according to UA website: 50% PQM, 0.5 PQS
What I did receive for both legs: 100% PQM, 0 PQS (doesn't even show up on statement)
I doubt that this is a rare exception and would feel pretty confident if you're booking LH in BE and crediting to UA at least for now.
Last edited by flockavelliFT; Feb 19, 2019 at 5:46 pm
Feb 20, 2019, 3:44 pm
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UA059 Seat Assignment
Hello travellers,
On UA059 FRA-SFO on the 24th, as *G in K I cannot book any aisle seats although a couple of them show available on united.com.
On lufthansa.com (where the ticket was booked), there are no available aisle seats...
I booked an F and G and I got charged just for the F and the G was not assigned...
The aircraft is a 777-300ER (https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Un..._777-300ER.php) so for 2 people I would prefer an F and a G.
Has anybody else encountered this?
Thanks,
Laik
On UA059 FRA-SFO on the 24th, as *G in K I cannot book any aisle seats although a couple of them show available on united.com.
On lufthansa.com (where the ticket was booked), there are no available aisle seats...
I booked an F and G and I got charged just for the F and the G was not assigned...
The aircraft is a 777-300ER (https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Un..._777-300ER.php) so for 2 people I would prefer an F and a G.
Has anybody else encountered this?
Thanks,
Laik
Feb 20, 2019, 3:59 pm
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This is the seat map see on United.com
The only open seats on the aisle are row 34 and 33G
The white seats with black corners are blocked as "preferred" and require an extra fee (Row 32 or lower) -- did you book one of these? If you log on your United account you should be able to pick the open seats you are eligible for.
Seats can not be select on the LH site. Did you book as UA59 or as a LH codeshare.
The only open seats on the aisle are row 34 and 33G
The white seats with black corners are blocked as "preferred" and require an extra fee (Row 32 or lower) -- did you book one of these? If you log on your United account you should be able to pick the open seats you are eligible for.
Seats can not be select on the LH site. Did you book as UA59 or as a LH codeshare.
Feb 21, 2019, 4:28 am
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I do have Basic Economy (UA)/Economy Light (LH). I tried 32G/33G, 33G/34G, 34G/34K and any combinations, it did not work. At payment I either saw only 30USD (or 39USD) instead of seeing two seats.
One time it showed 2, but then I got internal server error...
Right now I have no seats assigned and 3 x 30 USD and 1 x 60 USD charges on my credit card...
Even the callcenter said they cannot help me book...
I did not expect this...
One time it showed 2, but then I got internal server error...
Right now I have no seats assigned and 3 x 30 USD and 1 x 60 USD charges on my credit card...
Even the callcenter said they cannot help me book...
I did not expect this...
Feb 21, 2019, 5:34 pm
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Row 32 will require an extra fee as preferred seats (not free for *G)
The UA Twitter team has been useful to others in some odd situations.
Feb 25, 2019, 11:13 am
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Mar 5, 2019, 12:04 pm
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Flying International on LGT (Basic Economy) Fare
I know one of the rules of international BE is that you can't change your ticket, but international BE uses regular fare classes whereas domestic BE uses the N fare class.
Does this make any difference in terms of being able to finagle your way into a Same Day Change, or any sort of change for that matter?
Maybe the fare class is irrelevant.
Has anyone flying on an international BE ticket been able to change their ticket, either through SDC, or other means?
Does this make any difference in terms of being able to finagle your way into a Same Day Change, or any sort of change for that matter?
Maybe the fare class is irrelevant.
Has anyone flying on an international BE ticket been able to change their ticket, either through SDC, or other means?
Mar 5, 2019, 12:15 pm
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I know one of the rules of international BE is that you can't change your ticket, but international BE uses regular fare classes whereas domestic BE uses the N fare class.
Does this make any difference in terms of being able to finagle your way into a Same Day Change, or any sort of change for that matter?
Does this make any difference in terms of being able to finagle your way into a Same Day Change, or any sort of change for that matter?
Correct, it is the fare rules that matter
voluntary - no