QF sector on RTW ticket
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QF sector on RTW ticket
I need to fly MEL to IAH in July, as part of a RTW ticket issued on UA stock. My options are MEL-LAX and then LAX-IAH, but we all know how much fun it is to enter USA and transfer to domestic in LAX.
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice, but a few questions arise:
1) Will I be able to get UA to include a QF domestic sector on the RTW?
2) If I put MEL SYD as a ground sector on the RTW fare, and buy the QF sector as a separate fare - can it still be on the same ticket/PNR? If not on the same PNR, it seems to me that QF won't interline, and then it doesn't work. (Can't use airside transfer and not enough time)
3) If I buy the MEL SYD sector in Y, and the RTW is C/Z, what the baggage allowance on the QF sector?
thanks
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice, but a few questions arise:
1) Will I be able to get UA to include a QF domestic sector on the RTW?
2) If I put MEL SYD as a ground sector on the RTW fare, and buy the QF sector as a separate fare - can it still be on the same ticket/PNR? If not on the same PNR, it seems to me that QF won't interline, and then it doesn't work. (Can't use airside transfer and not enough time)
3) If I buy the MEL SYD sector in Y, and the RTW is C/Z, what the baggage allowance on the QF sector?
thanks
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I need to fly MEL to IAH in July, as part of a RTW ticket issued on UA stock. My options are MEL-LAX and then LAX-IAH, but we all know how much fun it is to enter USA and transfer to domestic in LAX.
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice, but a few questions arise:
1) Will I be able to get UA to include a QF domestic sector on the RTW?
2) If I put MEL SYD as a ground sector on the RTW fare, and buy the QF sector as a separate fare - can it still be on the same ticket/PNR? If not on the same PNR, it seems to me that QF won't interline, and then it doesn't work. (Can't use airside transfer and not enough time)
3) If I buy the MEL SYD sector in Y, and the RTW is C/Z, what the baggage allowance on the QF sector?
thanks
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice, but a few questions arise:
1) Will I be able to get UA to include a QF domestic sector on the RTW?
2) If I put MEL SYD as a ground sector on the RTW fare, and buy the QF sector as a separate fare - can it still be on the same ticket/PNR? If not on the same PNR, it seems to me that QF won't interline, and then it doesn't work. (Can't use airside transfer and not enough time)
3) If I buy the MEL SYD sector in Y, and the RTW is C/Z, what the baggage allowance on the QF sector?
thanks
2 - I don't see anything in the fare rules that would prohibit it from being on the same ticket, but that doesn't mean UA would sell it that way. Whether or not QF would interline across separate tickets is up to them.
3 - That's a very good question. If I had to guess, I'd expect it to be the Economy allowance for US-Australia travel, as that seems to be the most sensible way to combine the mixed classes of service with the US DOT rule that the luggage allowance has to be the same throughout the journey, but I'd defer to anyone who's actually tried it.
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I'm a little confused on the original premise... how is I/D at LAX any worse than D/I at SYD? I've done MEL-LAX-xxx and haven't had any noticeable issues.
In re (1), I'm not super familiar with RTW fare construction, but I thought the whole ticket was covered by one (RTW) fare, and I don't see that it would not allow QF sectors intra-Australia. I don't think the MEL-SYD-IAH option would include an embedded surface sector.
In re (1), I'm not super familiar with RTW fare construction, but I thought the whole ticket was covered by one (RTW) fare, and I don't see that it would not allow QF sectors intra-Australia. I don't think the MEL-SYD-IAH option would include an embedded surface sector.
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So, the embedded surface sector would be MEL-SYD, which would then be covered by a separately-fared (but jointly ticketed) one-way QF fare. You know how sometimes, when you put together a complicated itinerary into the ITA Matrix, it'll combine the legs in a non-obvious manner for faring? That's what I'd expect here.
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I'd expect that a Star Alliance RTW fare would only be bookable onto Star Alliance flights. I admit that I'm making an assumption there.
So, the embedded surface sector would be MEL-SYD, which would then be covered by a separately-fared (but jointly ticketed) one-way QF fare. You know how sometimes, when you put together a complicated itinerary into the ITA Matrix, it'll combine the legs in a non-obvious manner for faring? That's what I'd expect here.
So, the embedded surface sector would be MEL-SYD, which would then be covered by a separately-fared (but jointly ticketed) one-way QF fare. You know how sometimes, when you put together a complicated itinerary into the ITA Matrix, it'll combine the legs in a non-obvious manner for faring? That's what I'd expect here.
By the time you're doing something like that however, transiting LAX seems like an easy winner.
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I wasn't able to get ITA to price a RTW itinerary, and the *A RTW tool suggested SYD-SIN-PER when I tried it, so... anecdotal evidence, admittedly. I'd want to contact an RTW ticketing specialist.
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1 - Maybe? If you can, you might not like the way it prices out. The RTW fares are pretty liberal in terms of combinations, and allow side trips with no restrictions. The problem is going to be finding a fare to cover MEL-SYD that UA can plate. This might require full Y (around USD$550). Basically, MEL-SYD would have to be counted as an embedded surface sector on the RTW fare and then as a one-way side-trip on the QF fare. And that assumes that you can get UA to sell you the ticket in the first place; they're not always keen to sell random non-*A flights.
2 - I don't see anything in the fare rules that would prohibit it from being on the same ticket, but that doesn't mean UA would sell it that way. Whether or not QF would interline across separate tickets is up to them.
2 - I don't see anything in the fare rules that would prohibit it from being on the same ticket, but that doesn't mean UA would sell it that way. Whether or not QF would interline across separate tickets is up to them.
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10.COMBINATIONS SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS NOT PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END NOTE - ONE OF EACH OF AFRICA/ASIA/CHINA/EUROPE/AND NORTH AMERICA/STAR ALLIANCE AIRPASS MAY BE ISSUED ON A SEPARATE TICKET IN CONNECTION WITH A STAR ALLIANCE RTW TICKET.
Ultimately, I think your life is going to be a lot easier if you just accept the LAX transfer.
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Are you reading the same RTW fare rules I am? YRWSTAR1 (for example LAX-LAX) looks like it isn't combinable with much of anything at all:
As such, with those fare rules, basically anything that isn't on the RTW fare would need to be on a separate ticket. You could theoretically have multiple tickets in the same PNR to make interlining bags across multiple tickets easier, but doing so tends to confuse agents and makes everything else about the itinerary harder to manage.
Ultimately, I think your life is going to be a lot easier if you just accept the LAX transfer.
As such, with those fare rules, basically anything that isn't on the RTW fare would need to be on a separate ticket. You could theoretically have multiple tickets in the same PNR to make interlining bags across multiple tickets easier, but doing so tends to confuse agents and makes everything else about the itinerary harder to manage.
Ultimately, I think your life is going to be a lot easier if you just accept the LAX transfer.
It's going to be really difficult to do an IAH RTW via Australia for under 26,000 miles though... and end-on-end is not permitted, so you wouldn't be able to tack on IAH-EWR or something to start the trip.
So, yes, I agree -- it looks like the realistic options are an LAX transit or a separate ticket on QF.
As for the ability to route on a non-*A carrier; the fare rules attempt to disallow non-*A codeshares, and they do require *A codes. So, the only way to route it on QF would be if you could find a *A codeshare for that leg that hadn't been explicitly excluded.
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I need to fly MEL to IAH in July, as part of a RTW ticket issued on UA stock. My options are MEL-LAX and then LAX-IAH, but we all know how much fun it is to enter USA and transfer to domestic in LAX.
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice,.....
My wife suggested MEL-SYD on QF domestic, and then UA 100 SYD IAH, which is nice,.....
Air NZ flys to IAH. So MEL-AKL-IAH all on Air NZ is another option. Easy airside transfer at AKL. But no idea if schedule works for that.
Any flight that avoids SYD & LAX is better.
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Hah, that's fascinating. I too wouldn't have expected the cheaper fare to be less restrictive.
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It's common to see QF flights on UA fares to Australia. However, OP is specifically looking for RTW travel, which uses a separate set of fares with its own rules, and those are intended to limit travel to *A only.
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D->I in Sydney isn't too bad, as long as you're connecting from QF, and everything is booked on one ticket (especially if you have luggage) - which is what the OP was looking for.
Yes, you need to take a bus - but it departs airside and is relatively quick. Certainly a better option than transferring in LAX from the MEL flight which requires getting yourself from TBIT to T7.
In both cases you need to re-clear security, so it's a wash. (via AKL, like you've said, does avoid that)
Yes, you need to take a bus - but it departs airside and is relatively quick. Certainly a better option than transferring in LAX from the MEL flight which requires getting yourself from TBIT to T7.
In both cases you need to re-clear security, so it's a wash. (via AKL, like you've said, does avoid that)
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Thanks for the help and comments. Looking at the uncertainties of baggage interlining in this case, and chance of a delay leading to a missed connection, I have routed MEL-LAX-IAH. Indeed, the difference is not that great. I might well be over the QF baggage limits, and...
Remember also, that Australians don't have Global Entry, even though we let USA people use SmartGate - isn't life unfair?
Remember also, that Australians don't have Global Entry, even though we let USA people use SmartGate - isn't life unfair?
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Thanks for the help and comments. Looking at the uncertainties of baggage interlining in this case, and chance of a delay leading to a missed connection, I have routed MEL-LAX-IAH. Indeed, the difference is not that great. I might well be over the QF baggage limits, and...
Remember also, that Australians don't have Global Entry, even though we let USA people use SmartGate - isn't life unfair?
Remember also, that Australians don't have Global Entry, even though we let USA people use SmartGate - isn't life unfair?