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#211
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I find it interesting that all these international airlines have non-stop flights from SAN: AC, BA, WK (Edelweiss), JL and LH. I do fly these airlines as a non-stop is very attractive and they do not seem to have an issue filling up the planes. So if SEA is being considered for new routes, then hopefully UA will also consider SAN (speaking as someone who flies from SAN)
UA (or DL or AA) can't add say SAN-LHR, as they can't connect at either end, and they can't count on partner feed either. Nor do the JVs particularly help here. Lets say I want to go SAN-Sapporo or SAN-Harbin. Well UA will want me to go SAN-SFO-NRT-xxx. JAL can offer SAN-NRT-xxx.
#212
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How about setting up a poll, so that we all get to vote on the route?
#214
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Not necessarily, and jut because it is hedged doesn't mean it is cheap. It just means that the cost is known in advance. In recent years most hedges have been losing bets for the airlines, not winners.
#215
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Not to delve too deep into finance, but even though spot oil / prompt oil futures contracts are trading near $70, the futures curve is backwardated...depending on how far out UA and others hedged, they may not have any exposure to anything north of $60/bbl right now.
#216
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UA is not hedged at all. Neither is DL nor AA nor B6. AS and WN have some hedge positions but aren't paying less than AA/UA/DL in Q1 '18. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-fuel-prices
#217
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UA is not hedged at all. Neither is DL nor AA nor B6. AS and WN have some hedge positions but aren't paying less than AA/UA/DL in Q1 '18. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-fuel-prices
#218
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For those personal favorites routes, https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...16-onward.html is probaby a better fit.
... That would make this poll much more interesting.
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#219
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I might further add, that the US3 are at a real disadvantage in most asia markets as the US airports are not really set up for transit. For example, there is a lot of Asia to SA traffic, and visa versa, but a lot of it goes via Europe/ME and some via Australia and NZ. For those with a US visa, its not an issue, but you can't simply transit the US airports in the same way you can most overseas. I would think that UA would be interested in something like SFO-GRU (6472 miles) or SFO-SCL (5918 miles) over these ULR flights to Asia.
Re IAD unlike SFO/LAX/SEA - all of which get substantal traffic to both Asia and Europe and also to TLV, IAD has few flights to Asia. The US flag carriers certainly don't fly those routes. Same with MIA. Its a huge base for AA, but only for SA. MCO is just a tourist spot,and it does not support even a flight to NRT.
#220
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UA is not hedged at all. Neither is DL nor AA nor B6. AS and WN have some hedge positions but aren't paying less than AA/UA/DL in Q1 '18. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...er-fuel-prices
#221
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Even if hedged, it matters long-run. Say United has locked in jet fuel for a year at current prices. It still has to consider year 2, 3, etc., and those prices are going to trend upward (typically) as the current price goes up. United can't opportunistically start a route based on its currently hedged prices if it has a sense that prices will be higher in a year or two.
#222
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#223
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How about two polls: one for the selection of the hub, the second for the favored destination. Clunky but creates more options.
#224
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Too many parameters/unknowns and too many thinking about what they want versus what a business should do. We already have an "I want thread" - https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...16-onward.html -- thought this thread was more about what UA would do and why.
#225
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1. SFO-SIN has gone from 1 non-stop/day to 3 non-stops/day, so forget abou KUL.
2. Bamboo is buying 20 789s. SGN-SFO/LAX likely, UA wont want to complete, so forget about SGN.
3. UA upgraded EWR-BOM capacity by switching to a 77W. So SFO may draw less connection traffic to India
4. Remember, UA getting a shiny new 77W in Q4 that needs to fly somewhere...
That leaves BKK! OP, buy your buddy a drink and lets get some closure!