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haroon145 Sep 30, 17 5:25 pm

help checking loads
 
Hi,

Can someone check the loads for me on FRA to SFO on 14/10 UA59 please?

Thanks

WineCountryUA Sep 30, 17 11:00 pm


Originally Posted by haroon145 (Post 28878511)
Hi,

Can someone check the loads for me on FRA to SFO on 14/10 UA59 please?

Thanks

Access to load are considered proprietary by the airlines and therefore not available for public access.
Seat maps are public but not reliable.

You can access Expert Mode by enabling it in your UA profile.

You can see Business class info by use of https://www.cablepick.net/united -- this is a hack of UA Flight Status. May take repeated attempts to get to work.

RobOnLI Sep 30, 17 11:24 pm

Or pay for a subscription to ExpertFlyer (www.experflyer.com)

-RM

WineCountryUA Sep 30, 17 11:46 pm


Originally Posted by RobOnLI (Post 28879210)
Or pay for a subscription to ExpertFlyer (www.experflyer.com)

But that still does not provide the true "loads." Just provides a partial view of the Expert mode report.

RobOnLI Sep 30, 17 11:54 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 28879243)
But that still does not provide the true "loads." Just provides a partial view of the Expert mode report.

Obviously. But the OP is implying "hey, how full is this aircraft?" EF is another way to do it as are the methods you replied with.

-RM

Kacee Oct 1, 17 12:01 am


Originally Posted by RobOnLI (Post 28879253)
Obviously. But the OP is implying "hey, how full is this aircraft?" EF is another way to do it as are the methods you replied with.

-RM

EF provides no information on "loads" that is not already available on united.com for free, i.e., inventory and seat maps.

Flyingwasabi Apr 14, 18 12:59 am

How to check flight load?
 
is it possible to check the load situation on a UA flight? Like how many seats are left.

tha me in advance.

WineCountryUA Apr 14, 18 1:01 am

In Economy, other than looking at the seatmap (a poor indicator), no.

When just a few seats remain, Expert Mode provides info on the number of seats remaining to be sold.

Flyingwasabi Apr 14, 18 1:19 am

So which fare class should i look for?
Y? M?
if it says Y9 then it means that only 9 seats in economy are left?

WineCountryUA Apr 14, 18 1:42 am


Originally Posted by Flyingwasabi (Post 29638746)
So which fare class should i look for?
Y? M?
if it says Y9 then it means that only 9 seats in economy are left?

No, if less than Y9, then you can sort of believe, otherwise if there are multiple 9s on economy fare class, then it not providing anything useful

So except when Y is nearly fully booked, there is no useful, public, information on economy load.

ajGoes Apr 14, 18 7:58 am


Originally Posted by Flyingwasabi (Post 29638746)
S
o if it says Y9 then it means that only 9 seats in economy are left?

No. Y9 means "nine or more Y seats available".

mduell Apr 14, 18 8:52 am


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 29638784)
No, if less than Y9, then you can sort of believe, otherwise if there are multiple 9s on economy fare class, then it not providing anything useful

So except when Y is nearly fully booked, there is no useful, public, information on economy load.

The for sale numbers don't match actual loads, due to overbooking both into premium cabin (if any) as well as in general (expecting no-shows/misconnects/etc).

WineCountryUA Apr 14, 18 12:20 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 29639473)
The for sale numbers don't match actual loads, due to overbooking both into premium cabin (if any) as well as in general (expecting no-shows/misconnects/etc).

Very true but Y less than 9 is an indication of a flight nearing capacity. The exact number is still unknown but that is about the only indication one can get from the public numbers which was the OP's. The intent of the comment was to point out how little one can know or derive from the public information.

TerryK Apr 14, 18 1:33 pm


Originally Posted by WineCountryUA (Post 29640021)
.........point out how little one can know or derive from the public information.

Exactly and that's how airlines want it. ;) UA certainly doesn't want AA to know their actual flight loads for each flight and vice versa. :p

fumje Apr 14, 18 4:06 pm


Originally Posted by TerryK (Post 29640232)
Exactly and that's how airlines want it. ;) UA certainly doesn't want AA to know their actual flight loads for each flight and vice versa. :p

Is it really that valuable? They implicitly publish their J/F loads.

WineCountryUA Apr 14, 18 4:35 pm


Originally Posted by fumje (Post 29640574)
Is it really that valuable? They implicitly publish their J/F loads.

J/F seat maps provide most of the info already. The correlation between load and setmaps as far reliable for economy.

physioprof Apr 14, 18 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 29639473)
The for sale numbers don't match actual loads, due to overbooking both into premium cabin (if any) as well as in general (expecting no-shows/misconnects/etc).

I thought UA doesn't overbook premium cabin??

StuckinITH Apr 14, 18 6:35 pm


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 29640712)
I thought UA doesn't overbook premium cabin??

I think they overbook J in planes where there is F. Like in the 3 class 772 which is the plane I have taken most often on international flights since I started flying UA in 2016.

mduell Apr 14, 18 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 29640712)
I thought UA doesn't overbook premium cabin??

AFAIK they don't, and I didn't say otherwise.

But with no seats left in coach, they'll still sell coach seats if they have premium cabin open.

emcampbe Apr 14, 18 8:06 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 29641032)
AFAIK they don't, and I didn't say otherwise.

But with no seats left in coach, they'll still sell coach seats if they have premium cabin open.



and with no seats left in coach, theyíll still sell seats in coach even if no premium cabin on the plane or no premium cabin available. Itís all a matter of how much they will overbook - they have a history of no-shows, know that a certain amount are likely to mid-connect, etc. thatís why there is VDB/IDB - when they miscalculate how many to overbook.



physioprof Apr 15, 18 6:17 pm


Originally Posted by mduell (Post 29641032)
AFAIK they don't, and I didn't say otherwise.

But with no seats left in coach, they'll still sell coach seats if they have premium cabin open.

I interpreted (I think pretty reasonably) "due to overbooking both into premium cabin (if any) as well as in general (expecting no-shows/misconnects/etc)" as a reference to overbooking the premium cabin.

findark Apr 15, 18 8:31 pm


Originally Posted by physioprof (Post 29644081)
I interpreted (I think pretty reasonably) "due to overbooking both into premium cabin (if any) as well as in general (expecting no-shows/misconnects/etc)" as a reference to overbooking the premium cabin.

"overbooking into the premium cabin" means selling Y tickets while Y is overbooked on the basis of existing premium inventory (which is then blocked for each additional seat in Y sold). The expectation is for op-ups to resolve the overbook, rather than no-shows and/or DBs.

HkCaGu Apr 16, 18 12:53 am

Beside overbooking, they'll also "underbook". For example SFO-SIN and LAX-SIN in winter.

physioprof Apr 16, 18 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by findark (Post 29644446)
"overbooking into the premium cabin" means selling Y tickets while Y is overbooked on the basis of existing premium inventory (which is then blocked for each additional seat in Y sold). The expectation is for op-ups to resolve the overbook, rather than no-shows and/or DBs.

Thanks for explaining!! Now I get it!!

Sykes Apr 16, 18 6:50 pm


Originally Posted by HkCaGu (Post 29644960)
Beside overbooking, they'll also "underbook". For example SFO-SIN and LAX-SIN in winter.

Married segment logic is often also used to disfavor booking nonstop O/D itineraries on certain flights. The intra-Asia routes serviced by 737s used to be a reliable example of this where, for example, NRT-ICN would often show Y0 if you searched for that segment alone (which might lead you to believe that it's sold out), but would have plenty of availability if searched as, ORD-NRT-ICN.


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