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How many transpac trips before I can get domestic upgrades?

Old Apr 6, 18, 8:26 pm
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How many transpac trips before I can get domestic upgrades?

Hereís my situation. I just started a new job that will have me doing monthly SFO-HKG trips in business and monthly sfo-bos trips in economy. Iíd like to know from your experience how many Asia trips it will take before I can realistically get enough status to see the upgrade to business on the domestic legs.

Thanks!
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Old Apr 6, 18, 8:29 pm
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You will qualify for 1k and will 'earn' upgrade instruments that you will have to manually apply to each domestic leg. SFO-BOS is now a premium service and not eligible for complimentary upgrades.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by polar8 View Post
Here’s my situation. I just started a new job that will have me doing monthly SFO-HKG trips in business and monthly sfo-bos trips in economy. I’d like to know from your experience how many Asia trips it will take before I can realistically get enough status to see the upgrade to business on the domestic legs.

Thanks!








You should really become familiar with this. Look at satus level qualifications, benefits, etc. Then look at the "upgrades" page. Knowledge is power:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/premier/default.aspx?int_source=loy&int_medium=uacom&int_c ampaign=mphome&partner_category=mphouse&partner_na me=premier_benefits&asset_type=mphome_link&launch_ date=2017-04-24

Qualifying for upgrades and getting them are completely different issues. Domestic flights w/ front cabins marketed as "Business" do not qualify for status-based complimentary upgrades.

In short, you'll need to get to at least Plat to get 2 upgrade certificates (one is required for each segment) to use on the SFO-BOS flights. At 1K, you'll get 8 more certificates (2 regional and 6 global). You really should read up on the program and the terms and conditions on your own to start with if UA is going to be an important airline frequent flyer program for you.

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Old Apr 6, 18, 8:36 pm
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3 round trips you'll have platinum status, 4 round trips you'll have 1K status. Neither status will necessarily afford you guaranteed upgrade availability.

" Premier members will earn two Regional Premier Upgrades upon meeting all qualification requirements of Premier Platinum status, plus two more upon meeting all qualification requirements of Premier 1Kģ status. An additional two Regional Premier Upgrades will be awarded for each 25,000 Premier qualifying miles "
You can request to apply one of these RPUs to each of your domestic legs. You'll pick up 2 RPU's every time you do a round trip to HKG (27,656 PQM each, nonstop -- more if you fly in full-fare J).
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Old Apr 6, 18, 8:43 pm
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you’ll be at 1K by your 4th trip which will give you 6 GPU’s and 4 RPU’s to use. Since you’re already flying J to Asia you can use both your GPU’s and RPU’s for the domestic legs and can probably afford to apply them to every flight you’re taking, whereas most of us are typically a bit more strategic with how we use them. I don’t travel transcon a lot but I hear upgrades are hard to come by on those routes so don’t hold your breath.

still, you’re going to be racking up a ton of miles and flying a new Polaris route to Asia I think you’ll be fine.

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Old Apr 6, 18, 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by david_oz View Post
youíll be at 1K by your 8th trip which will give you 6 GPUís and 4 RPUís to use. Since youíre already flying J to Asia you can use both your GPUís and RPUís for the domestic legs and can probably afford to apply them to every flight youíre taking, whereas most of us are typically a bit more strategic with how we use them. I donít travel transcon a lot but I hear upgrades are hard to come by on those routes so donít hold your breath.

still, youíre going to be racking up a ton of miles and flying a new Polaris route to Asia I think youíll be fine.
He might even be global services by January.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 10:23 pm
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Originally Posted by david_oz View Post
youíll be at 1K by your 8th trip...
4th trip, presuming UA metal (or probably the same with others).

SFO-HKG is 6,927 miles. Double that for return, and double for business class gives 27,708 PQM per return trip. 4 trips is 100K.

PQM would need to be $3k/trip - if you can find J to HKG for less than that then you're doing well...
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Old Apr 6, 18, 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by docbert View Post
4th trip, presuming UA metal (or probably the same with others).

SFO-HKG is 6,927 miles. Double that for return, and double for business class gives 27,708 PQM per return trip. 4 trips is 100K.

PQM would need to be $3k/trip - if you can find J to HKG for less than that then you're doing well...
correct. All those hours in Y have screwed up my mathematical ability
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Old Apr 6, 18, 11:02 pm
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Originally Posted by GoSh4rks View Post

He might even be global services by January.
This, I think, is the key. Upgrades ex-SFO are difficult to get. Even if OP were to eschew the nonstop (and the lie flat seats) and fly SFO-IAD-BOS or SFO-ORD-BOS or something, there's a good chance none of the legs would clear regularly until reaching GS.

Even as GS, it can be tough to clear instruments ex-SFO, but at least it's possible. OP: what days of the week will you be flying? You're going to have a much better chance at success on off-peak days.

I don't know the spend requirement for GS in SFO, but it's tough to imagine that 12x SFO-HKG in J would fall terribly short of it.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 11:06 pm
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Have you thought about flying SQ between SFO and HKG and crediting to KrisFlyer? Assuming the flight timing works on SQ1/2, you get better service on the longhaul, and you can also credit JetBlue flights to KrisFlyer for your SFO-BOS runs. If you stick with UA domestically, you can get United Club access as a non-UA *G (but youíll lose out on free E+).

Originally Posted by polar8 View Post
Hereís my situation. I just started a new job that will have me doing monthly SFO-HKG trips in business and monthly sfo-bos trips in economy. Iíd like to know from your experience how many Asia trips it will take before I can realistically get enough status to see the upgrade to business on the domestic legs.

Thanks!
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Old Apr 6, 18, 11:17 pm
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With a sub-$700 3-day Z fare, the premium cabin to BOS has never been cheaper. Just use cash, honestly.
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Old Apr 6, 18, 11:54 pm
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Originally Posted by 764toHI View Post
Have you thought about flying SQ between SFO and HKG and crediting to KrisFlyer? Assuming the flight timing works on SQ1/2, you get better service on the longhaul, and you can also credit JetBlue flights to KrisFlyer for your SFO-BOS runs. If you stick with UA domestically, you can get United Club access as a non-UA *G (but youíll lose out on free E+).


I'm not sure SQ service is worth losing out on GS. The difference between the Sq and Polaris hard products isn't that much.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by GoSh4rks View Post
I'm not sure SQ service is worth losing out on GS. The difference between the Sq and Polaris hard products isn't that much.
The mileage earnings are also not great on SQ. Paid J tix on UA are going to accrue a whole bunch more RDM once the Premier bonuses kick in.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by IAH-OIL-TRASH View Post
You should really become familiar with this. Look at satus level qualifications, benefits, etc. Then look at the "upgrades" page. Knowledge is power:
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...ate=2017-04-24

Qualifying for upgrades and getting them are completely different issues. Domestic flights w/ front cabins marketed as "Business" do not qualify for status-based complimentary upgrades.

In short, you'll need to get to at least Plat to get 2 upgrade certificates (one is required for each segment) to use on the SFO-BOS flights. At 1K, you'll get 8 more certificates (2 regional and 6 global). You really should read up on the program and the terms and conditions on your own to start with if UA is going to be an important airline frequent flyer program for you.
Excellent information. And one should get familiar with all frequent traveler programs that they use, be it airline, hotel, or rental car. I'm always amazed how few learn all of this. The good thing is that all airline programs are fairly similar, all hotel programs are fairly similar, and all rental car programs are fairly similar. There are some specifics with each program, but all seem to have the same general rules.
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Old Apr 7, 18, 12:28 pm
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Originally Posted by polar8 View Post
Hereís my situation. I just started a new job that will have me doing monthly SFO-HKG trips in business and monthly sfo-bos trips in economy. Iíd like to know from your experience how many Asia trips it will take before I can realistically get enough status to see the upgrade to business on the domestic legs.

Thanks!
I probably know which company you works for. And I think you probably buy very cheap contracted Full-fare J class to HKG
which means at 3 round trip you would have enough PQM to hit 1K, but not enough PQD.

12x SFO-HKG round trip should be enough for GS. I think that company has its own GS quota list which makes you qualify for GS easier in SFO.
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