unbelievably rude gate agent in DIA
#46
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When I worked as a ticket agent (summer college job in 1989), I remember how passengers would approach the podium before I was ready for them. In a way, their radar wasn't on. (Sometimes I was still processing the previous passenger). I always preferred passengers who waited a few steps away until they were called. Mind you, it didn't change how I interacted with them (I hope).
Perhaps in this case, the OP's approach was like the passenger whose radar wasn't on?
In my current work, very well intentioned people show me photos or emails all the time on their phones. Again,l their radars aren't always on. I would much rather they explain what they want to do before just putting a screen before my face. It gets intrusive.
Perhaps in this case, the OP's approach was like the passenger whose radar wasn't on?
In my current work, very well intentioned people show me photos or emails all the time on their phones. Again,l their radars aren't always on. I would much rather they explain what they want to do before just putting a screen before my face. It gets intrusive.
I have been an elite on United about 25 years and have interacted with thousands of great employees. Never had an experience anywhere near this.
It was 100% there. I had already gotten an elite upgrade on the flight that I was scheduled on!
I actually felt for the GA, not OP.
OP is a 2MM. I am not sure the circumstance in term of OP's travel. However, locating in a hub, OP could go to the CS counters or use a kiosk for standby.
Per my experience, when GAs have to work with a pax's reservation, GAs will usually either ask for the paper BP from the pax or print one out as a reminder. GAs always avoid phones because of the technical difficulties (for 1 example - locked screen). GAs will not even touch your phone when you board the flight by using the Mobile BP.
Because there are too many gaps in OP's story. I believe that OP may be the one escalating the issue improperly.
I express no opinion whether OP/GA has a bad attitude.
OP is a 2MM. I am not sure the circumstance in term of OP's travel. However, locating in a hub, OP could go to the CS counters or use a kiosk for standby.
Per my experience, when GAs have to work with a pax's reservation, GAs will usually either ask for the paper BP from the pax or print one out as a reminder. GAs always avoid phones because of the technical difficulties (for 1 example - locked screen). GAs will not even touch your phone when you board the flight by using the Mobile BP.
Because there are too many gaps in OP's story. I believe that OP may be the one escalating the issue improperly.
I express no opinion whether OP/GA has a bad attitude.
I did not try to hand my phone to the GA, just used it to show her my boarding pass. {A}t no time was it "shoved in her face". I showed it to her the same way I've showed it to other agents who had no problem obtaining my details and putting me on standby.
What are the gaps in my story?
And BTW, thank you to those of you who provided advice and support. It is greatly appreciated!
with respect, I prefer a photo ID rather than phones as they are a lot less expensive to replace. (coming from a "you break it, you buy it" mentality) but i do offer apologies on behalf of coworkers if she was being that rude. (and knowing which ones work when, i do have a slight idea of who it may be but will not digress into that) we're not all bad people, but we do tend to have some rotten angst that shows itself from time to time...myself, I like to try to lighten the mood with a really bad joke or pun during stressful encounters, but it does not always work... I do hope things went better after the initial encounter and maybe one day we can make you laugh about it in retrospect...
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Although I have never been snapped at about offering a phone, I have noticed that overwhelming majority of agents do seem to prefer an ID document or some other non-electronic reference. Typically they just ask for something other than the phone, rather than making a point about not liking the phone. It seems understandable, as phone displays can be quite varied.
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Although I have never been snapped at about offering a phone, I have noticed that overwhelming majority of agents do seem to prefer an ID document or some other non-electronic reference. Typically they just ask for something other than the phone, rather than making a point about not liking the phone. It seems understandable, as phone displays can be quite varied.
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Speaking as someone who has worked for service industry businesses spanning the spectrum of management styles and corporate cultures, IME it's much better working for employers who actually have standards for their employees.
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Although I'm not going to weigh in on the OP's situation, I have found this thread interesting and educational. It had never occurred to me that (a) a gate agent would prefer me not to show them info on a phone, or (b) they'd have good reasons for it. But several posters on this thread gave good reasons -- phones are dirty, fonts vary, risk of damage/liability, lock screens, etc. Honestly, I'd never thought past the point of "I'm used to showing them my boarding pass... now it's on my phone, so I'll show them my phone". So now I'll avoid showing gate agents (or hotel checkin clerks, or whatever) things on my phone.
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Any day I learn something is a good day...
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Everyone who is saying that it is difficult or inconvenient to look at a phone, fine. But that's not any sort of defense for swatting at someone's hand (what if the phone went flying and broke?) and saying "I don't look at phones". Any normal person would simply say, "I'm sorry, it's difficult to read your information on a phone. Can you give me your last name and flight number?" Being polite and explaining things is not that difficult. And I just can't believe anyone who is defending the agent would be so understanding if someone swatted at their hand.
But did she really (swat the hand) ?? or was it just an exaggeration on the OP's part ? Can't tell you how many times passengers have (YES) literally shoved their phone very, very close to my face. It's extremely jarring, annoying and unnecessary. Just give me your MP number or your confirmation number - all eight (eye roll x 1000) letters/digits of it - how difficult is that ? Maybe just write it down somewhere just in case you lose your phone or drop it in a toilet or off the Empire State Building. Furthermore, telling someone you have xx millions of miles means nothing until the agent looks at your MP Account or your PNR. If the dialogue/body language went down as the passenger is saying then the agent certainly should have had self-control and just questioned him without any mention of not looking at phones.
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Also - how late have you requested standby?
For starter - Route?
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It is curious to me that as a community of flyers, many here are quite skeptical of their brethren. It escapes me why some assume that the OP stuck a phone in the agent's face or committed some other offense. Why?
I've just completed an international trip on non-UA metal, and while none of the four checkin agents swatted my phone away, most just asked for identification in order to process the checkin. In every case, the agents printed out boarding passes for us. It seemed to be standard practice (across two airlines) and a hint that the airlines don't like phone-based BPs.
Over the years, I've had gate agents handle my phone to scan the BP or direct me to place the phone on the scanner. No biggie. In no case did anyone ever act rudely and say "I don't touch phones."
OP, I am glad your are reporting this rude employee. Every system needs feedback in order to operate effectively.
I've just completed an international trip on non-UA metal, and while none of the four checkin agents swatted my phone away, most just asked for identification in order to process the checkin. In every case, the agents printed out boarding passes for us. It seemed to be standard practice (across two airlines) and a hint that the airlines don't like phone-based BPs.
Over the years, I've had gate agents handle my phone to scan the BP or direct me to place the phone on the scanner. No biggie. In no case did anyone ever act rudely and say "I don't touch phones."
OP, I am glad your are reporting this rude employee. Every system needs feedback in order to operate effectively.
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"I don't look at phones." LOL - I love it. Your job involves the use of electronic boarding passes. Don't like it? You don't have to work there. If I were their manager I would've ripped right into them.
This is mind blowing logic you have here. The gate agent is on the job... The flyer isn't. The GA needs to how to talk to a customer if you're working face to face with them or go visit a therapist.
I also highly doubt the OP shoved their phone in the lady's face as no reasonable person would do that.
I also highly doubt the OP shoved their phone in the lady's face as no reasonable person would do that.
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I think everyone can have a bad day. And staring at cell phones all day long in your job can hurt you, see below. I always get a paper BP for exactly this reason, even if I am using my phone BP. IRROPS happen.
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
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I think everyone can have a bad day. And staring at cell phones all day long in your job can hurt you, see below. I always get a paper BP for exactly this reason, even if I am using my phone BP. IRROPS happen.
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
Sleep (shouldn't be sleeping on the job at DIA unfortunately),
Text Claw (the GA would be looking at a phone, not texting on a passenger's phone),
Indirect Injuries (a GA shouldn't be helping a passenger get on standby and be driving at the same time)
Eyesight (applies if a GA is looking at a phone nonstop for more than 20 minutes...and suggests a 20 second break: Seeing how a GA interacts with people, this threshold should be easily surpassed)
Hearing (GA is not talking on the OP's phone....just looking at it)
Radiation (No data to back up this claim)...
I could go on and on.
That being said, I've handed my phone to just about every LAX agent that works on the Premier side in T7 and in the Kisoks between T7/T8. None of them have EVER had an issue simply looking at a phone to get a confirmation number. Nor would I expect them to. Come on, its 2018. Don't tell me you have 'problems with cell phones' and then reach into your pocket and start texting on yours.
Bad day or not, you don't take it out on your customers. I deal with some commerical aerospace contracts, when I have a bad day, I go home. Or I get drinks after work. Can you imagine if I took it out on a customer during a meeting? I'd probably be fired on the spot.
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But did she really (swat the hand) ?? or was it just an exaggeration on the OP's part ? Can't tell you how many times passengers have (YES) literally shoved their phone very, very close to my face. It's extremely jarring, annoying and unnecessary. Just give me your MP number or your confirmation number - all eight (eye roll x 1000) letters/digits of it - how difficult is that ? Maybe just write it down somewhere just in case you lose your phone or drop it in a toilet or off the Empire State Building. Furthermore, telling someone you have xx millions of miles means nothing until the agent looks at your MP Account or your PNR. If the dialogue/body language went down as the passenger is saying then the agent certainly should have had self-control and just questioned him without any mention of not looking at phones.
But did she really (swat the hand) ?? or was it just an exaggeration on the OP's part ? Can't tell you how many times passengers have (YES) literally shoved their phone very, very close to my face. It's extremely jarring, annoying and unnecessary. Just give me your MP number or your confirmation number - all eight (eye roll x 1000) letters/digits of it - how difficult is that ? Maybe just write it down somewhere just in case you lose your phone or drop it in a toilet or off the Empire State Building. Furthermore, telling someone you have xx millions of miles means nothing until the agent looks at your MP Account or your PNR. If the dialogue/body language went down as the passenger is saying then the agent certainly should have had self-control and just questioned him without any mention of not looking at phones.
I requested standby as soon as the gate opened. About 45-60 minutes before the flight. I was sitting there waiting for an agent.
You can think I was not nice all you like. I don't see how saying "hi, will you please put me on the standby list?" and showing a phone would qualify as that, but whatever.
Route DEN-IAH, flight 1819.
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In my time as a GA, the only time I declined a cell phone is when passengers wanted us to talk to someone on them. Even then, if it was someone who has language issues or older, or pretty young, I would. Moreso I would decline to speak on the phone from the people who felt I had to talk to someone since I wouldn't do what they commanded.
That being said, otherwise, there is nothing wrong for a GA to look at a phone. Even if she'd rather not, there is a much nicer way to go about it.
By all means complain about that agent and send in that video. I guarantee it's not the first time for them. IF she is union, firing people like that is almost impossible without proof, but if you have a video of her acting way out of line, it would help. If it's an isolated incident for her, then I'm sure at the least it would be a mark on her personnel file.
That being said, otherwise, there is nothing wrong for a GA to look at a phone. Even if she'd rather not, there is a much nicer way to go about it.
By all means complain about that agent and send in that video. I guarantee it's not the first time for them. IF she is union, firing people like that is almost impossible without proof, but if you have a video of her acting way out of line, it would help. If it's an isolated incident for her, then I'm sure at the least it would be a mark on her personnel file.
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I think everyone can have a bad day. And staring at cell phones all day long in your job can hurt you, see below. I always get a paper BP for exactly this reason, even if I am using my phone BP. IRROPS happen.
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
16 Damaging Side Effects Of Your Smartphone Addiction
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