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Mar 21, 2018, 9:05 am
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Customers can request a bassinet by calling the United Customer Contact Center at 1-800-UNITED-1 (1-800-864-8331) within the United States or the appropriate Worldwide Contact Center. We will provide accompanying seat assignments for an adult traveling with an infant and up to one travel companion. There is no fee for these seat assignments when arranged by the United Customer Contact Center or with a United representative at the airport. Bassinet availability is limited, and these arrangements are not guaranteed.
Bassinets
Bassinets are large enough to hold an infant weighing 22 pounds (10 kg) or less. They may not be used during taxi, takeoff or landing, or when the seatbelt sign is illuminated. A limited number of bassinets are available for use, free of charge, on international aircraft only. Bassinets are available for customers traveling international segments in United Polaris business class on select 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft and in United Economy® on 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft. Bassinets are not available for customers traveling in United Polaris first class, United First® or United Business® at this time.Customers can request a bassinet by calling the United Customer Contact Center at 1-800-UNITED-1 (1-800-864-8331) within the United States or the appropriate Worldwide Contact Center. We will provide accompanying seat assignments for an adult traveling with an infant and up to one travel companion. There is no fee for these seat assignments when arranged by the United Customer Contact Center or with a United representative at the airport. Bassinet availability is limited, and these arrangements are not guaranteed.
Mar 21, 2018, 9:52 am
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Did you know that the safest place for your child A CRS must be installed in a forward-facing aircraft seat, in accordance with manufacturer's instructions. This includes placing the CRS in the appropriate forward- or aft-facing direction as indicated on the label for the size of the child.on an airplane is in a government-approved child safety restraint system (CRS) or device, not on your lap? Your arms aren't capable of holding your child securely, especially during unexpected turbulence.
The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) strongly urges you to secure your child in a CRS or device for the duration of your flight. It's the smart and right thing to do so that everyone in your family arrives safely at your destination. The FAA is giving you the information you need to make informed decisions about your family's travel plans.
A CRS must be installed in a forward-facing aircraft seat, in accordance with manufacturer's instructions. This includes placing the CRS in the appropriate forward- or aft-facing direction as indicated on the label for the size of the child.
The FAA does not control the approval of hard-backed child restraint systems (CRS), nor does it recommend one over another. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards set the standards that manufacturers must meet in order to sell approved CRSs. Only then are two labels approved to be attached to the seat and must read as follows:
- This child restraint system conforms to all applicable Federal motor vehicle safety standards.
- THIS RESTRAINT SYSTEM IS CERTIFIED FOR USE IN MOTOR VEHICLES AND AIRCRAFT.
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Customers can request a bassinet by calling the United Customer Contact Center at 1-800-UNITED-1 (1-800-864-8331) within the United States or the appropriate Worldwide Contact Center. We will provide accompanying seat assignments for an adult traveling with an infant and up to one travel companion. There is no fee for these seat assignments when arranged by the United Customer Contact Center or with a United representative at the airport. Bassinet availability is limited, and these arrangements are not guaranteed.
Bassinets
Bassinets are large enough to hold an infant weighing 22 pounds (10 kg) or less. They may not be used during taxi, takeoff or landing, or when the seatbelt sign is illuminated. A limited number of bassinets are available for use, free of charge, on international aircraft only. Bassinets are available for customers traveling international segments in United Polaris business class on select 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft and in United Economy® on 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft. Bassinets are not available for customers traveling in United Polaris first class, United First® or United Business® at this time.Customers can request a bassinet by calling the United Customer Contact Center at 1-800-UNITED-1 (1-800-864-8331) within the United States or the appropriate Worldwide Contact Center. We will provide accompanying seat assignments for an adult traveling with an infant and up to one travel companion. There is no fee for these seat assignments when arranged by the United Customer Contact Center or with a United representative at the airport. Bassinet availability is limited, and these arrangements are not guaranteed.
must be related to flying into @ country that allows them. EG: European airlines do not allow ES dogs except when flyin to / from the US
FWIW I've been reseated multiple times by FAs who have claimed that you can't have a rear facing carseat in a bulkhead seat. I've never seen that written anywhere, but it's just not worth arguing things like that with power-tripping FAs. Now I just stay away from bulkheads when traveling with rear facing carseats.
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2015/info15013deltasays bulkhead seats cannot be used when the safety seat is a combination car seat and stroller
faa says any seat incluuding bulhead but airlines can restrict certain seats
Can raise arm rests to accommodate seat. May ban from evacuation seats
here is guide for all airlines into US
https://www.tripsavvy.com/us-airline...policies-54207
the next time a FA tells you differenty, have her call the gate agent or pilot
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Mar 21, 2018, 10:15 am
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print out
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia.../info15013.pdf
faa says any seat incluuding bulhead. Can raise arm rests to accommodate seat. May ban from evacuation seats
the next time a FA tells you differenty, have her call the gate agent or pilot
An operator may have policies based on safe operating practices that establish certain seat locations for a passenger who uses a CRS on a specific aircraft. Even if a certain seat in another location in the same class of service can accommodate an approved CRS, an operator does not have to permit the CRS in that location if the operator’s policies disallow the CRS in that seat.
Basically, the operator MUST accommodate the CRS, but they can ask you to move as long as they can reaccommodate you in the same class of service. This is also consistent with the concept that seat assignments are not guaranteed under any circumstance.
Mar 21, 2018, 10:27 am
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print out
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2015/info15013deltasays bulkhead seats cannot be used when the safety seat is a combination car seat and stroller
faa says any seat incluuding bulhead but airlines can restrict certain seats
Can raise arm rests to accommodate seat. May ban from evacuation seats
here is guide for all airlines into US
https://www.tripsavvy.com/us-airline...policies-54207
the next time a FA tells you differenty, have her call the gate agent or pilot
print out
https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/info/all_infos/media/2015/info15013deltasays bulkhead seats cannot be used when the safety seat is a combination car seat and stroller
faa says any seat incluuding bulhead but airlines can restrict certain seats
Can raise arm rests to accommodate seat. May ban from evacuation seats
here is guide for all airlines into US
https://www.tripsavvy.com/us-airline...policies-54207
the next time a FA tells you differenty, have her call the gate agent or pilot
I used a bassinet once in 2011 from IAH-HNL and won't make that mistake again. Had to hold onto the infant for takeoff and landing and had to wake and remove the baby every time the seatbelt light came on, so it was worse than useless.
After that we bought a seat and use a carseat for safety and so that the baby can sleep undisturbed.
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Mar 21, 2018, 11:08 am
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Maybe that is why I said no
was on a NA and infant in it the entire time. It apparently “locked”surrounding the child
was on a NA and infant in it the entire time. It apparently “locked”surrounding the child
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Mar 21, 2018, 1:41 pm
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There is nothing in the document you linked that prohibits a flight attendant from requesting that you change seats. In fact, it says the exact opposite:
An operator may have policies based on safe operating practices that establish certain seat locations for a passenger who uses a CRS on a specific aircraft. Even if a certain seat in another location in the same class of service can accommodate an approved CRS, an operator does not have to permit the CRS in that location if the operator’s policies disallow the CRS in that seat.
Basically, the operator MUST accommodate the CRS, but they can ask you to move as long as they can reaccommodate you in the same class of service. This is also consistent with the concept that seat assignments are not guaranteed under any circumstance.
Mar 21, 2018, 2:23 pm
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You actually don't know the rules for all airlines. The policies that the FA must follow may differ from aircraft to aircraft, and can actually differ depending on the type of operation. Those policies are not published to the public, and none of the links you posted speak to them in detail. It is certainly true that we sometimes encounter a power-tripping flight attendant, but we're at a disadvantage in that in some areas, like this one, we have no way of knowing for sure what additional legitimate restrictions might exist, so it's almost impossible to discern between an actual policy and a made-up-on-the-spot "rule". Aside from that, fighting with a power-tripping FA is not a recipe for a pleasant flight.
Mar 21, 2018, 2:51 pm
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You actually don't know the rules for all airlines. The policies that the FA must follow may differ from aircraft to aircraft, and can actually differ depending on the type of operation. Those policies are not published to the public, and none of the links you posted speak to them in detail. It is certainly true that we sometimes encounter a power-tripping flight attendant, but we're at a disadvantage in that in some areas, like this one, we have no way of knowing for sure what additional legitimate restrictions might exist, so it's almost impossible to discern between an actual policy and a made-up-on-the-spot "rule". Aside from that, fighting with a power-tripping FA is not a recipe for a pleasant flight.
I've traveled on 150 flights with carseats and I've heard it all. When they say that I can't have a carseat at all, that's when I call out the BS.
Several years ago I didn't know that you can't have a carseat in the row in front of or behind the exit row. I sat with an infant from CLE-MCI on a UA Q400 in F class, seats 2CD without a problem. On the return trip the FA told me that I can't sit in 2CD as it's the row behind 1CD, which is an exit row on the Q400. Those are the only 2 rows of 2 seats on the Q400, so we were booted back to coach.
I protested, but sure enough the FA pulled out the manual confirming that she was right, despite the countless times it hadn't been enforced. Live and learn.
Mar 21, 2018, 5:33 pm
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1. The seats have to be FAA approved which do fit all plane seats
2. The expectation to have your child in a child seat overweighs yours of a recline
3. Read the physics of turbulence. It is not comparable to a baby-buggy. It is why you cannot have sometihng on your lap on take off and landing. Also the incidence of scalp burns on lap childs is high (requiring ER)
2. The expectation to have your child in a child seat overweighs yours of a recline
3. Read the physics of turbulence. It is not comparable to a baby-buggy. It is why you cannot have sometihng on your lap on take off and landing. Also the incidence of scalp burns on lap childs is high (requiring ER)
1) I am referring to proper installation, not the car seat fitting into the seat (and I can assure you that I have been on many planes where even a small adult barely fits into a seat,, never mind trying to put a car seat in). To install a child seat in a car it must be literally weighed down by someone way bigger than me in order to get the straps properly tightened. As such the large majority of car seats are incorrectly installed according to many new articles, An airline seatbelt is not self-tightening and I have never seen a parent put any weight on the seat when buckling it in. As such it can, and does easily move around and will rotate without a tether strap which I have also never seen anyone use,
2) Guess I will be bringing a doctor's note from now on as having a reclinable seat is a health requirement for me.
3) I am talking about the probabilities here... not about turbulence in a baby buggy. i.e. the chance of a child being injured in a plane (and for that matter any other person) is way less than being in a car, walking down a street or whatever.
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Mar 21, 2018, 6:16 pm
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I see your point. But, if the normal car seat inconveniences others, and an alternative airline seat is just as good and does not inconvenience others, why not use the alternative? The car seat can be shipped with the luggage. Right? Or have they stopped doing that. It's been a while since I have had to tote a car seat across the country, other than in a car.
Mar 21, 2018, 6:22 pm
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You are missing the points here:
As such the large majority of car seats are incorrectly installed according to many new articles, An airline seatbelt is not self-tightening and I have never seen a parent put any weight on the seat when buckling it in. As such it can, and does easily move around and will rotate without a tether strap which I have also never seen anyone use,
2) Guess I will be bringing a doctor's note from now on as having a reclinable seat is a health requirement for me.
3) I am talking about the probabilities here... not about turbulence in a baby buggy. i.e. the chance of a child being injured in a plane (and for that matter any other person) is way less than being in a car, walking down a street or whatever.
As such the large majority of car seats are incorrectly installed according to many new articles, An airline seatbelt is not self-tightening and I have never seen a parent put any weight on the seat when buckling it in. As such it can, and does easily move around and will rotate without a tether strap which I have also never seen anyone use,
2) Guess I will be bringing a doctor's note from now on as having a reclinable seat is a health requirement for me.
3) I am talking about the probabilities here... not about turbulence in a baby buggy. i.e. the chance of a child being injured in a plane (and for that matter any other person) is way less than being in a car, walking down a street or whatever.
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Mar 21, 2018, 7:20 pm
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I see your point. But, if the normal car seat inconveniences others, and an alternative airline seat is just as good and does not inconvenience others, why not use the alternative? The car seat can be shipped with the luggage. Right? Or have they stopped doing that. It's been a while since I have had to tote a car seat across the country, other than in a car.
Only an infant rear-facing carseat is going to hinder recline anyway. Extremely unlikely that US airlines will come up with any carseat, let alone one for an infant, so this all moot anyway. Aside from a few kvetchy FTers, this is hardly a pressing concern for 99.99% of flyers.
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Bingo. Need to pick your battles. Easier to just select other seats in the first place and not have to battle at all.
I've traveled on 150 flights with carseats and I've heard it all. When they say that I can't have a carseat at all, that's when I call out the BS.
Several years ago I didn't know that you can't have a carseat in the row in front of or behind the exit row. I sat with an infant from CLE-MCI on a UA Q400 in F class, seats 2CD without a problem. On the return trip the FA told me that I can't sit in 2CD as it's the row behind 1CD, which is an exit row on the Q400. Those are the only 2 rows of 2 seats on the Q400, so we were booted back to coach.
I protested, but sure enough the FA pulled out the manual confirming that she was right, despite the countless times it hadn't been enforced. Live and learn.
I've traveled on 150 flights with carseats and I've heard it all. When they say that I can't have a carseat at all, that's when I call out the BS.
Several years ago I didn't know that you can't have a carseat in the row in front of or behind the exit row. I sat with an infant from CLE-MCI on a UA Q400 in F class, seats 2CD without a problem. On the return trip the FA told me that I can't sit in 2CD as it's the row behind 1CD, which is an exit row on the Q400. Those are the only 2 rows of 2 seats on the Q400, so we were booted back to coach.
I protested, but sure enough the FA pulled out the manual confirming that she was right, despite the countless times it hadn't been enforced. Live and learn.
I always looked at their policies written (which do state not in front or behind exit seat). The last time I had a problem, I wrote Delta and they gave me back a letter that said car seats are allowed in bulkhead on all their flights (in fact peferred location). I then carried it with me for the few FA who made their own rules.
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There is no right to a reclining seat. If there were, every seat on the plane would have to be a reclining seat, and quite a few don't, such as ones in front of the exit row, or at the back of the cabin. I don't see that you were denied "full use of your seat" - did you have to share the seat with someone? Give it up halfway through the flight? An optional feature of the seat, which is nowhere guarantee by the airline, was unavailable. The airline was generous in returning a portion of your miles.
FA could have moved you