Dog dies on IAH-LGA after FA supposedly insisted pax store dog overhead
Mar 13, 2018, 5:44 pm
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Yea - I get that United accepted responsibility. United is clearly wrong in the FA insisting on this. But I can't understand the 
wners just going along with the dog in the overhead and leaving it there the whole flight. I would think most people bullied in such a manner would at least want to check on their pet.
wners just going along with the dog in the overhead and leaving it there the whole flight. I would think most people bullied in such a manner would at least want to check on their pet.https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...llow-the-crowd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
Mar 13, 2018, 5:44 pm
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Not excusing UA or its FAs, but people need to stop bringing fido on every trip. Yes, there are some circumstances (i.e. moving long distance) when you don't have other options but there is no need to bring fluffy on your vacations - pet will be happier at home. Assuming this is not a fake ESA though you never know and if so then not much ES support from the overhead.
UA is lucky that the animal did not urinate or defacate - I don't think I would react well if a drip starts midflight over my aisle seat.
UA is lucky that the animal did not urinate or defacate - I don't think I would react well if a drip starts midflight over my aisle seat.
Mar 13, 2018, 5:47 pm
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UA's own policy requires that live animals in carrier bags be placed underneath the seat in front of the passenger. Period.
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con.../in_cabin.aspx
https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con.../in_cabin.aspx
Mar 13, 2018, 5:49 pm
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I like how some people basically say that the demand is so asinine and stupid that the owners are at fault for not refusing the demand. Now even if the owners' conduct wasn't ideal - and it clearly wasn't - the root problem here is a borderline criminal level of incompetence on part of the FA.
I said (and think) that there may be some criticism of the pet owner both for traveling with too large a bag and not fighting the FA's instruction. But no doubt this is overwhelmingly on United (certainly the FA, and the check-in and/or gate agents probably bear some responsibility as well); it's their job to catch passengers who are trying to fly with anything that shouldn't be on board. And certainly I'm not suggesting that the passengers have any legal or criminal liability, in case anyone misreads what I typed to suggest that!
Mar 13, 2018, 5:49 pm
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And for those that say the dog should have been ok in the overhead anyway....there is probably some lack of O2 there, increased heat in a confined space, and what if the mesh side of the carrier was jammed against the side of the overhead or another bag blocking the flow of air.
Mar 13, 2018, 5:50 pm
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Perhaps obvious but contradicted by witness descriptions of the incident.
I'm sure that no one who knew about the dog realized the overhead bin would be deadly. But it's shocking to me that the flight attendant, when told there was a dog, didn't know it was against policy and FAA regulations (even without getting to common sense).
I'm sure that no one who knew about the dog realized the overhead bin would be deadly. But it's shocking to me that the flight attendant, when told there was a dog, didn't know it was against policy and FAA regulations (even without getting to common sense).
Should have known, perhaps, which is prob why UA has taken responsibility. But I doubt we are dealing with a complete psycho as an FA
Mar 13, 2018, 5:51 pm
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https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con.../in_cabin.aspx
Mar 13, 2018, 5:51 pm
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Mar 13, 2018, 5:51 pm
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Yea - I get that United accepted responsibility. United is clearly wrong in the FA insisting on this. But I can't understand the wners just going along with the dog in the overhead and leaving it there the whole flight. I would think most people bullied in such a manner would at least want to check on their pet.
wners just going along with the dog in the overhead and leaving it there the whole flight. I would think most people bullied in such a manner would at least want to check on their pet.The NYT article further states that "the airline declined to comment on what role, if any, its personnel may have played in the decision to put the dog in the overhead compartment.".
I disagree that the article provides any evidence of this accusation. They clearly state that UA is investigating the case. The only "evidence" they provide is the (sole) witness who started this story on social media as well. The owner of the pet wasn't interviewed, nor was the FA.
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Mar 13, 2018, 5:55 pm
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i haven’t seen any evidence that the FA knew there was a dog in the crate, so I disagree with your characterization of the evidence.
Should have known, perhaps, which is prob why UA has taken responsibility. But I doubt we are dealing with a complete psycho as an FA
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Mar 13, 2018, 5:59 pm
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They didn't determine that, and one witness account clearly isn't definitive. But that is evidence that the flight attendant was told repeatedly that there was a dog in the bag.
Mar 13, 2018, 6:00 pm
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I’m not defending UA. They are responsible. I’m defending the FA, as I choose not to believe that anyone in civilized society would want to kill a dog.
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Mar 13, 2018, 6:02 pm
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There is no backstory here. It's clearly documented, and a major PR .... up on an epic scale that United isn't going to be able to walk back.
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