Dog dies on IAH-LGA after FA supposedly insisted pax store dog overhead
Mar 13, 2018, 2:41 pm
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Definitely something up with this story, I am a dog owner and although it's a big dog, if she was small enough for me to carry around like that I would be putting her in the overhead bin over my dead body, even if it meant missing a flight/trip.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:44 pm
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At least they weren't trying to pass the dog off as an open cabin ESA.
Not a lot of facts here other than a dog passed away in an untimely way and UA has accepted responsibility for the dog being placed in an overhead bin.
The pictures raise some questions but don't provide enough to say either way on some things.
Not a lot of facts here other than a dog passed away in an untimely way and UA has accepted responsibility for the dog being placed in an overhead bin.
The pictures raise some questions but don't provide enough to say either way on some things.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:47 pm
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That's why it's useful to the know the rules/regulations governing air travel. Plus I've always wanted to go to Gitmo. Haven't had time to do any substantive pro bono work though I have colleagues who have picked up similar cases.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:51 pm
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How much oxygen is in a full overhead bin? How much breathable air will come through the tiny gabs from the cabin? A cargo hold is generally pressurised and sometimes completely/partially heated. The former requires some kind of ventilation. In any case there is generally more fresh air being circulated to the hold than to overhead bins.
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Mar 13, 2018, 2:51 pm
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I suspect that the FA really didn't know there was a dog in the carrier. Even if the passenger said something, the real mistake the FA most likely made was failing to really listen to the passenger. I personally didn't know people used bags with no breathing holes, etc. for dogs. Is this really a normal pet carrier?
Mar 13, 2018, 2:52 pm
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Anyone who insists the passenger store a dog anywhere other than the main cabin with it's owner needs to be charged with animal cruelty. To place a dog under the plane with other baggage or overhead lacks common sense in every way.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:55 pm
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This sounds like a crock.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:57 pm
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I suspect that the FA really didn't know there was a dog in the carrier. Even if the passenger said something, the real mistake the FA most likely made was failing to really listen to the passenger. I personally didn't know people used bags with no breathing holes, etc. for dogs. Is this really a normal pet carrier?
And one of the selling point of many of them is that they do look more like a duffle bag than a normal hard sided pet carrier.
Mar 13, 2018, 2:59 pm
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The 'slight' problem I have with people saying "why didn't someone stand up or she should have stood up more or she should have absolutely refused to put the dog in the overhead bin..." is...
In post 9/11, disobeying a flight attendant is how you end up:
We've been conditioned to just sit down and shut up and what the FA says, is what happens, else repurcussions happen.
In post 9/11, disobeying a flight attendant is how you end up:
- In handcuffs
- Kicked off your flight
- Having the airline refuse to fly you on a future flight and you have to buy tickets on another airline yourself
- Arrested, jailed, etc.
We've been conditioned to just sit down and shut up and what the FA says, is what happens, else repurcussions happen.
Mar 13, 2018, 3:00 pm
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Sounds like a setup to get money or free flights. UA is over the barrel PR-wise, so easy to take advantage...
Mar 13, 2018, 3:01 pm
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How much oxygen is in a full overhead bin? How much breathable air will come through the tiny gabs from the cabin? A cargo hold is generally pressurised and sometimes completely/partially heated. The former requires some kind of ventilation as otherwise the dado . In any case there is generally more fresh air being circulated to the hold than to overhead bins.
Mar 13, 2018, 3:01 pm
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It's a dramatic instagram post from the fellow passenger too. "We heard him barking" etc. Sounds a bit fishy. And (I'm sure this is mentioned up thread), wouldn't you get your dog OUT of the overhead as soon as you took off?
Regardless, this won't end well for United.
I don't see any evidence that someone was trying to 'stress the system'. Further, I'm a frequent flyer, but it never would have occurred to me that putting a pet in the overhead was an automatic death sentence - and I certainly wouldn't have suspected it if an FA had told me it was OK.
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Mar 13, 2018, 3:02 pm
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If the passenger "disobeyed crew member instruction" and refused to put the dog on the overhead.
What would happen to the passenger? Would United kick the passenger off the flight?
These are entirely fair questions to ask after "that incident".
Mar 13, 2018, 3:07 pm
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Mar 13, 2018, 3:08 pm
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So maybe in the future on full flights, when they know overhead space is tight, they won't board passengers with dogs in carriers?