Racial profiling by United premier rep
#17
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1. Stop to take swabs out of clothes, hands, electronics
2. Random bag searches
3. Random questioning after passing through security
4. References to secondary immigration
but it seems like the topic is turning into 'blaming UA for DHS security issues' and it has nothing to do with this original incident
etc
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it's nothing to do with UA reps being involved. it all happens when going through security, examples:
1. Stop to take swabs out of clothes, hands, electronics
2. Random bag searches
3. Random questioning after passing through security
4. References to secondary immigration
etc
1. Stop to take swabs out of clothes, hands, electronics
2. Random bag searches
3. Random questioning after passing through security
4. References to secondary immigration
etc
Last edited by chermorg; Feb 10, 2018 at 1:13 pm Reason: edit new quote
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Which makes it irrelvant to this thread.
If you feel wronged, file a complaint (providing only the relevant facts), but you can't expect anyone here to make that decision for you. There is insufficient information in the initial report for anyone to come to any reasonable conclusions. It's all conjecture and hearsay.
If you feel wronged, file a complaint (providing only the relevant facts), but you can't expect anyone here to make that decision for you. There is insufficient information in the initial report for anyone to come to any reasonable conclusions. It's all conjecture and hearsay.
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As a young frequent flyer, this happens to me all the time, but mostly on United by the agents manning the front of the 1K lines. “Honey, this is the first class line. You need to check-in over there.” (Points at economy)
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
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Stop play the race card without facts.
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As a young frequent flyer, this happens to me all the time, but mostly on United by the agents manning the front of the 1K lines. “Honey, this is the first class line. You need to check-in over there.” (Points at economy)
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
Although recently, as a 1K in Y, when entering the kiosk area of 1K/Polaris at EWR and being asked: "Business Class?" I just answered "No" and kept on walking.
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What other reason would the agent make the assumption? I see only 3 possible reasons - a passenger's age, how the passenger is dressed, and the their skin color. One of of three, the agent was making a racist assumption.
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If the incident upset you enough that you posted it in FT, then report it.
These days I am a middle age white woman, but in my younger days I was a senior executive at a very young age when everyone else was a white male, i.e. the "old boy's club". Many people would make assumptions about me but the classic was the partner from a (then) Big 8 Accounting firm who informed me rather self-importantly that he was here to meet with (my name) and he would like a cup of coffee with sugar while he waited. I got him the cup of coffee and then informed him I was who he was meeting with. He was sufficiently embarrassed and told me he was never assuming again. Sometimes it is ignorance, sometimes it is background, and sometimes it is just someone needing to help them understand.
It may be the agent was having a bad day, but it may be this is the person's background shaping their viewpoint. Not saying it is acceptable and only you can decide how to deal with it. Although based on some of the comments others have been experiencing it does sound like UA may want to undergo some CS training for their folks - perhaps have the SAN agents provide peer training. Some of the best UA CS reps I have encountered.
When I feel the CS service has been particularly galling (my first Polaris experience comes to mind) I do report it as I think some behavior is vindictive and pointed at particular people and the person needs to be highlighted for such bad CS experiences for the customer. Other times, I can see the person is stressed and it is not personal so treat the UA rep kindly and move on. Facts and circumstances.
These days I am a middle age white woman, but in my younger days I was a senior executive at a very young age when everyone else was a white male, i.e. the "old boy's club". Many people would make assumptions about me but the classic was the partner from a (then) Big 8 Accounting firm who informed me rather self-importantly that he was here to meet with (my name) and he would like a cup of coffee with sugar while he waited. I got him the cup of coffee and then informed him I was who he was meeting with. He was sufficiently embarrassed and told me he was never assuming again. Sometimes it is ignorance, sometimes it is background, and sometimes it is just someone needing to help them understand.
It may be the agent was having a bad day, but it may be this is the person's background shaping their viewpoint. Not saying it is acceptable and only you can decide how to deal with it. Although based on some of the comments others have been experiencing it does sound like UA may want to undergo some CS training for their folks - perhaps have the SAN agents provide peer training. Some of the best UA CS reps I have encountered.
When I feel the CS service has been particularly galling (my first Polaris experience comes to mind) I do report it as I think some behavior is vindictive and pointed at particular people and the person needs to be highlighted for such bad CS experiences for the customer. Other times, I can see the person is stressed and it is not personal so treat the UA rep kindly and move on. Facts and circumstances.
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It's definitely poor customer service. Up to you to decide whether worth reporting.
I get that about 1 time in 10 at SFO. I'm white, middle aged, and clean cut.
They always say I've been "randomly selected." It's pretty annoying.
I get that about 1 time in 10 at SFO. I'm white, middle aged, and clean cut.
They always say I've been "randomly selected." It's pretty annoying.
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As a young frequent flyer, this happens to me all the time, but mostly on United by the agents manning the front of the 1K lines. “Honey, this is the first class line. You need to check-in over there.” (Points at economy)
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
One time, even after I told the agent I was 1K, she told me “sir, I don’t think you heard me. You are in the wrong line.”
i’m rarely in biz attire when i fly, mostly joggers and a hoodie (neat, just not professional) - heck, when i’m headed home, i’m buzzed most of the time.
i fly out of BOS often, and the check-in signage is slightly ambiguous in that the displays for the lanes to the left say “1K/polaris”, but there’s no polaris service at BOS. F pax who aren’t 1K checking in often stand around in front of the check-in desks, sort of looking for cues from other pax to see whether they can use the premier line. agents (who are often curt, but then again it is the northeast) just want to keep the lines moving.
i’m certainly not discounting OP’s negative experience, nor am i discouraging OP from reporting this. i’m just trying to point out that it’s possible there was a miscommunication/misinterpretation.
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I think age/dress profiling is the issue. My recent LAX-SIN flight had the same issue. Boarding door 1L was asked to produce my bp..i said seat 4e...sir may i see your bp...rolled eyes as previous 4 pax were not asked...then saw my bp with 1k on it...said it is a security messure to ensure you boarded the correct flight. So not only was i profiled, but my intelligence was questioned. The second FA saw the exchange and saw the 1k bp from afar. I think he saw my reaction to the security comment, so welcomed me by offering a beverage right then and there. Glad the first FA was not serving me.rest of flight was great and they had hot bites!
It's a customer service industry...just some employees ignore the customer part.
It's a customer service industry...just some employees ignore the customer part.
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Had this happened to me in SFO. Not by UA rep, but from custom agent after picking up luggage from carousel in intl arrival. Being Chinese, another Chinese agent walked up to us asked us about bringing food. We said NO and she write some letters on the paperwork. All of us went through screening again and luggage on a search. We told the agents we flown for 20 years and never brought food back. We travel enough to cut food cravings and have no need to bring food to USA. Pathetic and a waste of time by your own people profiling you.
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Your implicit assumption is that all three of your possibilities are equally likely.