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Old Mar 25, 2018, 4:42 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Word is out on another site (not my post) regarding a company memo about the May 1 "enhancements".

POLARIS SERVICE ENHANCEMENTS
Frequently Asked Questions

1. When do the service updates go into effect?
A: The service updates are effective May 1, 2018, on all long-haul international flights.

2. Why are we making changes to our United Polaris® service?
A: Customers have positively received our United Polaris lounge, and this year we are opening more United Polaris lounges beginning this summer in San Francisco, Houston and New York/Newark and in the fall, Los Angeles. As we continue to add more lounges, we want to take into account the feedback that customers have given us — they’ve emphasized their desire to rest and relax during their journey, especially onboard. The updates to the service flow will allow us to continue providing a premium product with high-quality food, wine, amenities and more, but it’ll be delivered in a more efficient way.

3. What is the new international United Polaris meal service flow?
A: The meal service flow for both first and business class will be the same:
Pre-departure
• Pre-poured sparkling wine, orange juice and water offered from a silver tray, with other beverages available upon request.
Main meal service
• Hot towels
• Linen placement
• Pre-meal beverage cart
• Appetizer and salad cart
• Bread and beverage refills
• Entrées
• Bread and beverage refills
• Dessert and pre-plated cheese cart
• Individual water bottles with hang tags
Mid-flight service (when applicable)
• Display mid-flight snacks on console, self-service unit, fold-down trays or galley countertop.
• Heat and serve hot on-demand items (when applicable) upon customer request.
Pre-arrival service
• Hot towels
• Pre-arrival tray setup with entrée and choice of beverage
• Breads and pastries

4. Will we be able to offer other pre-departure beverages?
A: Yes, upon customer request fulfill other pre-departure beverages in accordance with each departure country’s pre-departure liquor procedures. Refer to the Flight Attendant Policies and Procedures Manual to determine if you are allowed to open beverage carts/carriers that contain alcohol on the ground.

5. Is there still a chocolate offered during pre-departure?
A: Pre-departure chocolates/dessert will be catered on the pre-arrival tray instead for customers to enjoy during or after their flight.

6. What’s changing with the Bloody Mary and wine specialty beverage carts?
A: Wines and Bloody Marys will continue to be available upon request, but the dedicated cart service will change. This was a common flight attendant suggestion for improvement. A new branded cart cover is being sourced to improve presentation in the aisle and will be available shortly after launch.

7. Can we still offer wine tastings?
A: Absolutely. Although the wine arches with the 3 tastings will not be boarded, we can continue to honor customers’ requests to sample select wines.

8. What about the United Polaris first class soup and salad course?
A: The salad and appetizer will be delivered at the same time on a tray setup, instead of having a soup course.

9. What about the turndown service?
A: We will continue to offer the turndown service upon request.

10. Will Express Dining continue to be offered?
A: Yes, Express Dining will continue to be offered and can be requested and delivered at any point during the flight.

11. Will we continue to offer the mini desserts and fruit and cheese?
A: The mini desserts will continue to be offered from the three-tier cart with the signature ice cream service. In addition, pre-plated cheese will be added to the dessert cart. To make room for the fruit and cheese on the dessert cart, the specialty tea box will be removed from the cart, although specialty teas will continue to be available from the galley.

12. Are there any updates to the mid-flight and pre-arrival services?
A: There will be a few updates to both the mid-flight and pre-arrival service.
Mid-flight service (when available) – While we’ll no longer have formal presentation of mid-flight snacks, snack provisioning levels will remain the same and will continue to be displayed near the galley as is done today. Hang tags advising the customers that mid-flight snacks are available will be added to the individual bottle waters distributed after the main meal service. Hot snack items, when available, will also be delivered upon request.
Pre-arrival service – We’re removing tray table linens to reduce trips through the aisle. The tray itself will continue to have a linen liner. The pre-departure chocolate/dessert will be catered on the pre-arrival tray for customers to enjoy during or after the flight.

13. Will there be any new service items introduced to support the new United Polaris service?
A: Yes, there are a few new elements that will be introduced, including:
Cart covers – Similar to some of our competitors, branded cart covers for both the half and full carts will be boarded for use in the aisle on both the beverage and meal tray carts. Cart covers will be available shortly after launch.
Hang tags – To be placed on individual bottle waters at the end of the main meal service to advise customers that mid-flight snacks are available.

14. Will we be changing the domestic meal service procedures to align with the new United Polaris service (e.g. pre-poured pre-departure beverages)?
A: We will continue listening to the feedback of our customers and our flight attendants and will adjust our processes where necessary to deliver the best service for our customers.
Some key points:

- Return of the salad/appetizer cart, although I suspect it's just going to be the meal cart with a fancy cover, to reduce the number of galley trips with hand-run trays
- Beverage carts coming back to the aisle (similar to DL and the former 3-cabin sUA business class service) with branded cart covers
- Soup is gone in Polaris First (so no more differentiation; the product isn't expected to last the full year, anyway)
- Wine tasting arches are gone
- No bloody mary carts (already announced)
- Hot bites will stay
- Bread refills to be offered (return of the bread basket?)
- Pre-departure chocolates returned to the pre-arrival tray

In many ways, this is going to look like the former three-cabin BusinessFirst service with nicer linens and serviceware. Overall, not the sweeping change (or depth of cuts) I was expecting. No word on provisioning of the other items (gel pillows, mattress pads, slippers, PJs, etc.)
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Old Mar 11, 2018, 1:01 pm
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
Ah, I was not aware of that restriction.
The exact qualifications are nt public but it has been surmised that front cabin international UA-meetal tickets are what really count.
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Old Mar 11, 2018, 1:25 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
I'm tempted to give DL a try
DL is most assuredly not the answer TPAC. Their 767 is terrible.

The asian carriers are a different story.

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I think poster is eluding to the school of thought that non-UA metal pqd likely don't count towards GS qualification.
It's not a "school of thought." It's a fact.
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Old Mar 11, 2018, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Hartmann
The PJs come in Medium and Large. The Medium fits me (5'10" and average weight) just fine. The Large is very soupy on me.
To be a little more precise, there are 2 sizes of pajamas - S/M and L/XL.
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Old Mar 11, 2018, 2:10 pm
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Originally Posted by FLYMSY


To be a little more precise, there are 2 sizes of pajamas - S/M and L/XL.
And at 6'2.5" and 180lbs, the length of the L/XL and the width of the S/M are what would actually fit me...
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Old Mar 11, 2018, 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
It's quite disappointing, but I guess you get what you pay for. I found a PEK-ORD in P for $2300. Ok, that's worth the horrid Polaris product and I paid out of pocket versus my normal G fare for personal travel. But my work trips where my budget is much larger, I'm tempted to give DL a try. It's been a few years since I was on them. I"m just not sure if I want to lose the PQD which I would need to requal for GS. But at some point, GS isn't worth the horrid product, right? My cousin just flew in to PEK on DL and she talked about the warm towel she got...in economy!!!
United is a joke and Polaris is now exposed as yet another blatant lie. Sorry to be an AA apologist, but try AA with the new Casper bedding. UAL crossed a line (not with me, but dealing with a fellow sufferer/passenger) and I will never forgive. The sooner the "friendly skies" fails, the better the domestic airline industry. Keep training on "caring". JOKE.
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
I'm tempted to give DL a try. It's been a few years since I was on them. I"m just not sure if I want to lose the PQD which I would need to requal for GS. But at some point, GS isn't worth the horrid product, right?
Just wait till the first time you want to redeem miles to bring a companion along with you on a long haul trip. On UA, it frequently will be ~60k miles r/t plus two GPUs into confirmed space to the seat next to you. On DL, it most likely will be 400k+ miles. I don’t disagree with your thought, but UA definitely has the MP program tilted to GSs in a way that it makes it feel like golden handcuffs. If you are MM and your companion is GS also, then those handcuffs are that much tighter.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by rowingman
United is a joke and Polaris is now exposed as yet another blatant lie. Sorry to be an AA apologist, but try AA with the new Casper bedding. UAL crossed a line (not with me, but dealing with a fellow sufferer/passenger) and I will never forgive. The sooner the "friendly skies" fails, the better the domestic airline industry. Keep training on "caring". JOKE.
Um...no. i flew AA last week on an invol, and there was no mattress pad or blue pillow. When i asked the FA, she looked at me like I had 2 heads. No idea if the blanket was casper or something else. But the bedding was a HUGE step down from UA J.

And yes, if I stay with UA, it's UA metal for the GS PQD.
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Originally Posted by HeadInTheClouds

Just wait till the first time you want to redeem miles to bring a companion along with you on a long haul trip. On UA, it frequently will be ~60k miles r/t plus two GPUs into confirmed space to the seat next to you. On DL, it most likely will be 400k+ miles. I don’t disagree with your thought, but UA definitely has the MP program tilted to GSs in a way that it makes it feel like golden handcuffs. If you are MM and your companion is GS also, then those handcuffs are that much tighter.
I recently needed a ticket MEL-CDG and DL miles was 90k. UA had no saver availability for J. 90k is a lot, but better than nothing.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 10:30 am
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
I recently needed a ticket MEL-CDG and DL miles was 90k. UA had no saver availability for J. 90k is a lot, but better than nothing.
That's a ST partner award (I assume VS or AF). Try pricing DL metal for international long haul awards. 200K+ in D1 is the norm.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
Um...no. i flew AA last week on an invol, and there was no mattress pad or blue pillow. When i asked the FA, she looked at me like I had 2 heads. No idea if the blanket was casper or something else. But the bedding was a HUGE step down from UA J.

And yes, if I stay with UA, it's UA metal for the GS PQD.
You didn't miss anything. The only Casper in J for AA is the regular duvet and one pillow. No wool blanket. PJs on a few long routes (fewer than UA).

Mattress pad and extra pillow only available in F on AA.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 12:57 pm
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IMO let's continue to keep UA on their toes with our voice about the displeasure of the length of rollout of plane conversions and lounges. However, let's also realize that the new seat is very good and the new lounges are very good. If you aren't traveling in Polaris, regrettably you are going to be a notch above miserable. Sorry.

I just want the Polaris planes/lounges to actually get here.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by schley
IMO let's continue to keep UA on their toes with our voice about the displeasure of the length of rollout of plane conversions and lounges. However, let's also realize that the new seat is very good and the new lounges are very good. If you aren't traveling in Polaris, regrettably you are going to be a notch above miserable. Sorry.

I just want the Polaris planes/lounges to actually get here.
Agree. The near-simultaneous opening of Polaris Lounges at EWR/IAH/SFO (whenever that is...) will go a long way toward satisfying those clamoring for more of the promised "Polaris Experience", myself included.

I flew on one of the reconfigured 767s last week and was really happy with the product, IMO the best J seat of any 767. I've also managed to catch a few rides on the 77W and have enjoyed it as well. Certainly a big step forward for UA business class.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 1:57 pm
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Originally Posted by cerealmarketer
This may start a panic...

Anyone notice that the bedding is no longer mentioned in the menu. Used to be in the fine print.

Over / under on the extra bedding going away.

Separately, parents who had never flown the AA 773 or 'real' Polaris tried both on a recent trip. They were strongly in favor of Polaris in terms of comfort, ergonomics, quality - though neither of them knew about the extra bedding.
Recent flight SYD-IAH, did not check if amenities listed on menu card, but purser did stop at each seat before takeoff to introduce himself and after introduction said "The usual amenities are available".
FWIW--hotbites were available.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Agree. The near-simultaneous opening of Polaris Lounges at EWR/IAH/SFO (whenever that is...) will go a long way toward satisfying those clamoring for more of the promised "Polaris Experience", myself included.

I flew on one of the reconfigured 767s last week and was really happy with the product, IMO the best J seat of any 767. I've also managed to catch a few rides on the 77W and have enjoyed it as well. Certainly a big step forward for UA business class.
I concur with what you're saying. Once more Polaris lounges open up I think people will stop fearing some type of major pull back from the new product. United should have apologized for the delay and been better at communicating reasons (likely unnecessary cuts to suffice investors) but their prior history has us all questioning what their true intent is here. The new Polaris business seats on the 767s and 777-300s are very nice and will be great once they starting going on the 777-200s.
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Old Mar 12, 2018, 2:28 pm
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This past Friday on a transatlantic Polaris flight, an FA told me mattress pads are boarded for first only, not business.
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