Oct 29, 2018, 2:14 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
UA has started installing Premium Plus / Premium Economy seats in 772s and 773s. Other long haul aircraft will also be receiving these new seats.
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
For 77x it is a 2-4-2 (vs economy 3-4-3) with 3 rows - 24 seats
For 76x it is believe it will be 2-2-2 (vs 2-3-2) with 3 rows ( and maybe a partial row) - 22 seats
For 78x it is believed it will be 2-3-2 (vs 3-3-3) with 3 rows - 21 seats
UA has not yet started selling this new cabin but has restructured its fare class -- which appears to be in preparation of selling the new cabin (and removed 3-class F)
In the meantime, the Premium Plus cabin is being treated as an extension of E+ and those with E+ access can select the new seats.
In many cases UA is initially using an interim seat maps, such as https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-airlines-mileageplus/1926142-interim-772-seat-map-polaris-potentially-premium-economy-2018-a.html
Things start to firm up about 2 days prior but last minute changes can happen
Real Premium Economy is Coming [Update: UA studying "Real" Prem Y in domestic market]
Apr 18, 2018, 4:58 pm
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Apr 18, 2018, 6:14 pm
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Apr 20, 2018, 5:00 pm
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Just read this today in the San Francisco Examiner, TRAVELSKILLS WITH CHRIS MCGINNIS
In a conference call on first quarter results, Chief Commercial Officer Andrew Nocella said United's new Premium Plus seating will start to appear on aircraft as soon as this summer, although the seats won't start to be sold as a separate product until late this year or early next year, with the official launch slated for the first quarter of 2019. Until then, FlightGlobal reports they'll be treated (and priced) like Economy Plus extra-legroom seats.
so good luck being assured you will get premium economy. Can’t understand why they just don’t price it at the get go. Of course if you get an accurate aircraft map, you can get a great deal.
In a conference call on first quarter results, Chief Commercial Officer Andrew Nocella said United's new Premium Plus seating will start to appear on aircraft as soon as this summer, although the seats won't start to be sold as a separate product until late this year or early next year, with the official launch slated for the first quarter of 2019. Until then, FlightGlobal reports they'll be treated (and priced) like Economy Plus extra-legroom seats.
so good luck being assured you will get premium economy. Can’t understand why they just don’t price it at the get go. Of course if you get an accurate aircraft map, you can get a great deal.
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Apr 20, 2018, 5:22 pm
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Because in the early days of the rollout, there will be fewer planes with PE than without. Oftentimes it's not clear which tail will serve a flight until boarding. So this eliminates having to upcharge and refund. Once there's a critical mass and PE-eqipped planes run dedicated routes, they can more reliably charge for the product.
Apr 20, 2018, 5:29 pm
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Because in the early days of the rollout, there will be fewer planes with PE than without. Oftentimes it's not clear which tail will serve a flight until boarding. So this eliminates having to upcharge and refund. Once there's a critical mass and PE-eqipped planes run dedicated routes, they can more reliably charge for the product.
Apr 20, 2018, 5:32 pm
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So you could use miles, get a coach seat, pay the E+ fare and end up in Pe? WIll there me a way to have a good guess at your chances of this?
Apr 20, 2018, 6:25 pm
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Either way, you'll need to wait until P+ actually exists on some planes to know what the strategy will be. I'm quite certain they'll be a robust thread about the best way to get those seats.
Apr 20, 2018, 9:57 pm
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Until there is a prevailing number of frames with PE, I expect it is book a seat assignment in E+ on the "old" seatmap and then be at the mercy of swaps.
Apr 22, 2018, 4:52 pm
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In theory, yes; in practice, it's too soon to tell. If they follow the priority order that they would use for complimentary upgrades, the chances of a general member having this happen aren't good. If it's first-come, first-served, or if they just keep the same seat assignments, etc., then perhaps.
Either way, you'll need to wait until P+ actually exists on some planes to know what the strategy will be. I'm quite certain they'll be a robust thread about the best way to get those seats.
Either way, you'll need to wait until P+ actually exists on some planes to know what the strategy will be. I'm quite certain they'll be a robust thread about the best way to get those seats.
Apr 22, 2018, 4:58 pm
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Yes, but that doesn't guarantee you'd end up in P+ on a plane with that configuration. Those planes will also have E+.
If they go by status and fare class, like they would for op-ups, someone on an award ticket and paid E+ would be at or near the bottom of the list. If they just remap seat assignments, it's possible that people with seat assignments in the front of the E+ cabin will end up in P+ regardless of status (but keep in mind that there are E+ seats that wouldn't exist on a P+ plane, as the number of seats in each row will change).
Barring an announcement by United, I think we'll have to wait and see what happens once some P+-equipped planes start to enter the fleet.
If they go by status and fare class, like they would for op-ups, someone on an award ticket and paid E+ would be at or near the bottom of the list. If they just remap seat assignments, it's possible that people with seat assignments in the front of the E+ cabin will end up in P+ regardless of status (but keep in mind that there are E+ seats that wouldn't exist on a P+ plane, as the number of seats in each row will change).
Barring an announcement by United, I think we'll have to wait and see what happens once some P+-equipped planes start to enter the fleet.
Apr 22, 2018, 5:00 pm
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Apr 22, 2018, 5:17 pm
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I agree that "we don't know yet" is the best answer to that question.
As for whether or not you would eventually be able to use miles to redeem for E and then purchase an upgrade to P+ -- considering that you can purchase an upgrade from E to J on an award ticket today, it's not out of the realm of possibility that you will be able to purchase an upgrade from E to P+ at check-in, even on an award ticket. But, again, this is all speculation.
May 3, 2018, 12:38 am
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It would appear I'm loosing my mind possibly 
1997 international choices:
Economy = Coach
E+ = Coach with a bit more leg room
Business (Connoisseur) - Barco Loungers, better food, on real China.
First - Lie Flat seat, slightly better Food.
2018 Choices:
Economy = Coach
E+ = Coach with a bit more leg room
Premium Economy = Possibly Barco Lounge type chairs, better food (possibly real china)
Business - Lie flat seat - slightly better food
So it took about 21 years to circle back to the same products - although I won't miss the Hi8 tapes in First, or the looping 9 channels of tape playback everywhere else.
1997 international choices:
Economy = Coach
E+ = Coach with a bit more leg room
Business (Connoisseur) - Barco Loungers, better food, on real China.
First - Lie Flat seat, slightly better Food.
2018 Choices:
Economy = Coach
E+ = Coach with a bit more leg room
Premium Economy = Possibly Barco Lounge type chairs, better food (possibly real china)
Business - Lie flat seat - slightly better food
So it took about 21 years to circle back to the same products - although I won't miss the Hi8 tapes in First, or the looping 9 channels of tape playback everywhere else.