Managing cost/value while staying on track to meet PQD
This will be my first year flying almost exclusively on one airline (United) after several years of being based in a city with no dominant carrier. Thus, this will be the first year that PQD will be something I'll have to track/manage throughout the year.
I'm currently UA Gold after easily completing the Gold challenge back in the fall. I expect to easily hit Platinum's PQM (and/or PQS) this year but the PQD aspect is less certain. Is there a sweet spot the UA vets here use in terms of PQM cost when deciding to buy F or J (or to buy up to F or J when it looks like one's CPU won't clear)? Is it generally a simple matter of buying F or J if it costs 12 cents or less per PQM, as per the 75,000/$9,000 thresholds? As an example, I just bought a three-segment international one-way for $215 that will yield 2,250 PQM. Each segment is about the same duration; I have almost no chance of a CPU on the first two but the third looks like a certainty. I can buy up to P for all three segments for $200 (or $0.09/PQM, total), but since my CPU is almost certain on the last segment, I'd really be paying $200 to upgrade two segments and to get double PQM on the whole trip. I'm curious how the vets here balance cost/value vs. staying on track for PQD. Thanks very much. |
From a PQD perspective, none of us are vets - it's a concept that's still relatively new in the grand scheme of things :) I would buy up to F/J if it makes sense for you personally. As an example (that turned out not to be needed when my wife and I both got business travel added)...I bought up to F on MSY-EWR. In the end, I would have cleared an RPU (and probably almost CPU), but at the time, that was the difference in getting my wife over the PQM and PQD hurdle for 1K, as well as getting me above 125k PQM (for the extra RPUs). For <$150 on an early morning flight, on a Monday, after partying all night Sunday (wedding that night), it was an easy decision.
In this case, YMMV as always. Since most of my travel is leisure planned in advance, I have a good idea of what I need to do to hit the milestones. The most 'extreme' case is when I bought my wife full-fare F on an EWR-ORD flight on a 3-class 763 to hit 1K a couple years back. It was worth it :) |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
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I'm curious how the vets here balance cost/value vs. staying on track for PQD. Thanks very much.
If the goal is to sit up front then buy the fares when the price is right for you, assuming you're not breaking any company policies or behaving unethically along the way. |
Depends on the frequency of your travel and your goals, but one approach you can try is to keep a monthly pace to hit $12,000 by the end of November and use miles primarily in December. |
Thanks for the quick replies. I'm self-employed, so there's no "company money" vs. "personal money" distinction for me.
Do people expect the credit card PQD waivers to remain? I had read some speculation that they could disappear in 2018, but it was unclear if that meant disappear for the 2019 qualifying year or retroactively for 2018. EDIT: Quickly answered that question at United.com. |
Buy F/J when/where you care about it vs the money difference, not for status chasing. Keep in mind the more that you're willing to buy it, the less you care about status.
If your travel pattern doesn't make PQD naturally, and your target is plat, just do the CC waiver. Sure, the waiver could go away or move up at any time, but there's no real indication it's likely to change. |
With the CC waiver through the Plat level, that renders much of my concern moot. Thanks for the reminders.
Still curious if others want to chime in with how they go about valuing the F / J buy-ups as a general matter. Thanks again. |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
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Still curious if others want to chime in with how they go about valuing the F / J buy-ups as a general matter. Thanks again.
I would say, pay for F/J if you think there's value in it at that price point, and don't worry too much about PQDs, especially in January. You may end up with an unexpected change in your travel pattern. There will be plenty of time to worry about PQDs in Q4 after you have a better idea of where you stand, what elite status makes sense for you, and how much extra you'd need to travel to get it. |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 29262957)
Still curious if others want to chime in with how they go about valuing the F / J buy-ups as a general matter. Thanks again. |
Thanks for the replies. When I started the thread, I was concerned with balancing PQM vs. PQD. With the CC waiver through Plat, now I need to determine just how much Plat is worth to me. On paper, there doesn't seem to be much difference between Gold and Plat, but comments at FT suggest Plats get quite a few more upgrades over the course of a year.
The upcoming flight I mentioned is three segments of 2:20, 2:50, and 2:10, so they're right at that duration where F / J becomes a little more tempting. |
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 29263015)
Thanks for the replies. When I started the thread, I was concerned with balancing PQM vs. PQD. With the CC waiver through Plat, now I need to determine just how much Plat is worth to me. On paper, there doesn't seem to be much difference between Gold and Plat, but comments at FT suggest Plats get quite a few more upgrades over the course of a year.
The upcoming flight I mentioned is three segments of 2:20, 2:50, and 2:10, so they're right at that duration where F / J becomes a little more tempting. |
Note that such a flight sounds like a perfect opportunity to use an RPU.
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 29263015)
Thanks for the replies. When I started the thread, I was concerned with balancing PQM vs. PQD. With the CC waiver through Plat, now I need to determine just how much Plat is worth to me. On paper, there doesn't seem to be much difference between Gold and Plat, but comments at FT suggest Plats get quite a few more upgrades over the course of a year.
On flights where you don't buy up to F, watch the upgrade list. If you normally end up # 1 or # 2 on the upgrade list, without clearing, Platinum may be worth it. If you normally end up # 23, well, Platinum might get you # 15 instead. :) |
Thanks. I've had great luck so far as a (new) Gold; probably batting .400 to .450 after about 15 segments, with a couple near-misses (#1 or #2 ). But that average is sure to come down as I fly in and out of UA's bigger airports more.
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Originally Posted by joe_miami
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With the CC waiver through the Plat level, that renders much of my concern moot. Thanks for the reminders.
Still curious if others want to chime in with how they go about valuing the F / J buy-ups as a general matter. Thanks again. For my part, I buy the premium cabin if I don't think I can get upgraded. I'm fortunate to be in a position where my time is the primary factor which limits my travel, so I can afford it. On trips under ~800mi I will usually just buy Y as it's short enough to not really matter. Last year I still didn't do very well on the PQD game though, despite flying UA Y a grand total of twice. The math depends a lot on your travel mix, but the general advice I would give is buy what makes you happy - you can always do a dollar run at the end of the year to make up the difference.
Originally Posted by joe_miami
(Post 29263015)
Thanks for the replies. When I started the thread, I was concerned with balancing PQM vs. PQD. With the CC waiver through Plat, now I need to determine just how much Plat is worth to me. On paper, there doesn't seem to be much difference between Gold and Plat, but comments at FT suggest Plats get quite a few more upgrades over the course of a year.
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