El Al to launch SFO-TLV flight
Competition for UA :)
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I didn't realize LY could do new US routes (wasn't their FAA rating downgraded for a while?).
That said, I've always said this about EL AL: Worth it to fly once to get the 'Israeli experience' on the way in. Then always fly other carriers to Israel (I did TK last time which worked pretty well). They'll also be at a disadvantage vs. UA with only 3/week it seems. I assume same 9-across config of 787. |
Under active discussion in the El Al forum: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-a...reamliner.html
Apparently 3x/week frequency starting in late 2018. |
Since this topic is mainly discussed elsewhere, I would just like to relate an economic lesson, spurred in my mind by this news, which is: as soon as airlines claim that a new type of more efficient, longer-distance, more comfortable airplane gives them a competitive advantage and is going to propel them into a profitable future, you find that other airlines are equally capable of doing just the same, and pretty soon the price wars are just the same again. Technology is rarely the saviour of the airline industry -- all the surplus generally goes to the customer who has seen airfares drop and drop and drop... Interesting lessons.
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Originally Posted by TA
(Post 29252322)
Since this topic is mainly discussed elsewhere, I would just like to relate an economic lesson, spurred in my mind by this news, which is: as soon as airlines claim that a new type of more efficient, longer-distance, more comfortable airplane gives them a competitive advantage and is going to propel them into a profitable future, you find that other airlines are equally capable of doing just the same, and pretty soon the price wars are just the same again. Technology is rarely the saviour of the airline industry -- all the surplus generally goes to the customer who has seen airfares drop and drop and drop... Interesting lessons.
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Originally Posted by emcampbe
(Post 29252201)
I didn't realize LY could do new US routes (wasn't their FAA rating downgraded for a while?).
That said, I've always said this about EL AL: Worth it to fly once to get the 'Israeli experience' on the way in. Then always fly other carriers to Israel (I did TK last time which worked pretty well). They'll also be at a disadvantage vs. UA with only 3/week it seems. I assume same 9-across config of 787. LY started new MIA service last year and will probably add ORD service once they get their 788s. LY 787s are 1-2-1 in J, so they'll have a significant advantage over UA in seat comfort in front of the bus. |
Originally Posted by ctownflyer
(Post 29252403)
Long over.
LY started new MIA service last year and will probably add ORD service once they get their 788s. LY 787s are 1-2-1 in J, so they'll have a significant advantage over UA in seat comfort in front of the bus. |
Agree with above comments. As well, if you want to fly to TLV on Shabbat (i.e., Friday or Saturday), then you will fly with UA. In fact, even if you want to leave Thursday from SFO, you cannot fly LY. The 9:40pm UA flight gets you in the next day at 9:40pm. There may be Thursday flights on LY but they will have to be on Thursday morning.
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If it's for tech I'm surprised they're going head to head with a limited schedule instead of TLV-SJC.
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Originally Posted by mduell
(Post 29253577)
If it's for tech I'm surprised they're going head to head with a limited schedule instead of TLV-SJC.
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Originally Posted by BThumme
(Post 29253506)
You also can't underestimate brand loyalty as well, I'm sure many of the bay area folk would take UA over LY if prices were identical, regardless of interior cabin supremacy.
And another key distinction is that El Al has a PE product. Its a LONG flight to TLV from SFO, and there will be a lot of demand from people who don't want to be stuck in a crappy UA Y seat that is .2" narrower than on a 737 and can afford (or has a company that allows) PE but not J.
Originally Posted by mduell
(Post 29253577)
If it's for tech I'm surprised they're going head to head with a limited schedule instead of TLV-SJC.
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It's practically impossible to book biz class on these UA flights for a reasonable price. So adding seats on this route is welcome. In economy there are more available seats in low booking classes, so not sure how profitable it will be for LY.
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What if United was going to launch LAX-TLV as the rumored new LAX route? ;)
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