How to max out PQM + MPM for BOS-BNE
#17
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@dvs7310 thanks for the tips. to clarify, does that mean i have to pickup luggage from NRT and re-check-in at HND?
local so either is fine for me, but for people connecting it can mean the trek over to Haneda from Narita.
It' not a terribly difficult trip though. If you have large or heavy luggage, take the bus. If you're traveling light then the train is a viable option as well though honestly doesn't save a lot of money. With the train though you have the option to stop off in central Tokyo for a drink or meal, since you have plenty of extra time in both directions. There is one more train option but, while you could comfortably get luggage to Tokyo or Shinagawa stations on Narita Express, it's a royal PITA to get from wother of them to Haneda with more than 1 suitcase, that's why I'd highly recommend the bus with much luggage.
I think in your situation, there isn' a perfect solution since you want to maximize PQMs but don' prefer UA 787s. AC is probably the least hassle honestly but zero lifetime miles that way and on a $9k+ ticket you'll probably get more RDMs on a 016 UA ticket (depending on current status).
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@dvs7310 thanks for the update. newbie question, how do i price bos-sfo-lax-mel-bne as united.com doesn't let me price this even on multi-city. so far i can only do the standard bos-lax-mel-bne, which nets 21,062 PQM one way. (guessing here i have to price it on matrix then go to an OTA?)
update: found the 77W's fly SFO-AKL return, so I guess the no-brainer (for real polaris) is to tack on BOS & BNE at each end and fly that routing.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...routes-40.html
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-01sep17/
update: found the 77W's fly SFO-AKL return, so I guess the no-brainer (for real polaris) is to tack on BOS & BNE at each end and fly that routing.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...routes-40.html
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-01sep17/
Last edited by dnotes; Jan 4, 2018 at 8:21 am
#19
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@dvs7310 thanks for the update. newbie question, how do i price bos-sfo-lax-mel-bne as united.com doesn't let me price this even on multi-city. so far i can only do the standard bos-lax-mel-bne, which nets 21,062 PQM one way. (guessing here i have to price it on matrix then go to an OTA?)
update: found the 77W's fly SFO-AKL return, so I guess the no-brainer (for real polaris) is to tack on BOS & BNE at each end and fly that routing.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...routes-40.html
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-01sep17/
update: found the 77W's fly SFO-AKL return, so I guess the no-brainer (for real polaris) is to tack on BOS & BNE at each end and fly that routing.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/unit...routes-40.html
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...as-of-01sep17/
#20
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@dvs7310 https://bookwithmatrix.com/54036842f...47e5e1e182487f this works but of course booked on OTA, not UA. i've never booked with the OTA before so a little nervous with doing that.
UPDATE: it doesn't allow that to be booked. oh well.
UPDATE: it doesn't allow that to be booked. oh well.
Last edited by dnotes; Jan 4, 2018 at 9:14 am
#21
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I had no trouble pricing BOS-SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE on ua.com. I used multi-city with a city break in SFO (i.e. BOS-SFO, SFO-BNE, BNE-SFO, SFO-BOS). United doesn't want to sell tickets from MEL-BNE as a "stand-alone" segment probably because either no *A option or no UA fare filed.
To get SFO-BNE to be SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE just uncheck SYD and AKL as connection points in the filter. You can also route BOS(-IAH)-SFO-AKL-BNE with the same search. Prices in D with a r/t cost of about $9.5k.
I would recommend searching ITA to make sure you have space too - first AKL attempt I tried forced J on a segment probably because no D space.
To get SFO-BNE to be SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE just uncheck SYD and AKL as connection points in the filter. You can also route BOS(-IAH)-SFO-AKL-BNE with the same search. Prices in D with a r/t cost of about $9.5k.
I would recommend searching ITA to make sure you have space too - first AKL attempt I tried forced J on a segment probably because no D space.
#22
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I had no trouble pricing BOS-SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE on ua.com. I used multi-city with a city break in SFO (i.e. BOS-SFO, SFO-BNE, BNE-SFO, SFO-BOS). United doesn't want to sell tickets from MEL-BNE as a "stand-alone" segment probably because either no *A option or no UA fare filed.
To get SFO-BNE to be SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE just uncheck SYD and AKL as connection points in the filter. You can also route BOS(-IAH)-SFO-AKL-BNE with the same search. Prices in D with a r/t cost of about $9.5k.
I would recommend searching ITA to make sure you have space too - first AKL attempt I tried forced J on a segment probably because no D space.
To get SFO-BNE to be SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE just uncheck SYD and AKL as connection points in the filter. You can also route BOS(-IAH)-SFO-AKL-BNE with the same search. Prices in D with a r/t cost of about $9.5k.
I would recommend searching ITA to make sure you have space too - first AKL attempt I tried forced J on a segment probably because no D space.
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When all else fails, calling and pricing manually is my backup plan.
#24
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There are P fares bookable on the AC YVR-BNE with UA tags ~$8300. There are not UA/AC plate restrictions on the first fare rules. Maybe UA will ticket if you call it in?
https://bookwithmatrix.com/e306f700c...77158117de2ada
Also, A lot of P fares with QF tags on UA.com .{nvm..these were D fares in construction when clicked through} The SYD-BNE flight is <500 miles so I really wouldn't sweat the flight credit vs. the savings on the tag via NZ which you will never get a deal on. If you want the deal, do the P fare via NH or AC.
https://bookwithmatrix.com/e306f700c...77158117de2ada
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@findark thanks for sharing the multi-city tips + filtering out airports. just learned something really useful here @prestonh it shows up as economy when you clicked through to pay on flight network. weird. hmm. @dvs7310 great tips on matrix as well. thanks!
BOS-SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE return. not including the MEL-BNE segment, max PQM is 44,500
BOS-SFO-AKL-BNE return, with BNE-AKL inbound on Y, max PQM is 41164.
Difference was 3336 PQM, upside was that SFO-AKL-SFO is on 77W, which was what I picked in the end. Price ended up just under 8k.
What was interesting about this was that I actually called in to get them to construct it and they managed a 30 min connection AKL-BNE and 45 min connection AKL-SFO.
United's website doesn't allow for that close of a connection, at least not from what I've tried to reproduce, those flights just don't show up.
BOS-SFO-LAX-MEL-BNE return. not including the MEL-BNE segment, max PQM is 44,500
BOS-SFO-AKL-BNE return, with BNE-AKL inbound on Y, max PQM is 41164.
Difference was 3336 PQM, upside was that SFO-AKL-SFO is on 77W, which was what I picked in the end. Price ended up just under 8k.
What was interesting about this was that I actually called in to get them to construct it and they managed a 30 min connection AKL-BNE and 45 min connection AKL-SFO.
United's website doesn't allow for that close of a connection, at least not from what I've tried to reproduce, those flights just don't show up.
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What was interesting about this was that I actually called in to get them to construct it and they managed a 30 min connection AKL-BNE and 45 min connection AKL-SFO.
United's website doesn't allow for that close of a connection, at least not from what I've tried to reproduce, those flights just don't show up.
United's website doesn't allow for that close of a connection, at least not from what I've tried to reproduce, those flights just don't show up.
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It also sounds like you're connecting from NZ to UA at AKL on the inbound, with a 30 minute connection. This one is definitely an illegal connection, as I can't find any legal 30 minute I-I connections at AKL at all, regardless of flight number. Keep in mind that you will have to go through security at AKL, and that UA is allowed to give your seat away if you're not in the boarding area at T-30 for an international flight, and absolutely will if you're not there at T-15.
Now, as to what happens if you misconnect -- first of all, you may not be able to check in or to check luggage, if the computer detects the illegal connection. If you are somehow able to check in and check any bags, then, yes, you will probably be placed on another flight automatically. However, I'm not 100% sure about that; it seems to me that the airline could deny protection because the ticket was invalid, although I can't find any evidence of whether or not they will. If (when?) your bags don't make the connection, UA may refuse to deliver them to you in SFO.
That issue aside, while UA or NZ may well rebook you, you're the one who would be waiting in AKL for your new flight. On the way to Australia, it looks like you'd have several other options that day. On your way to the US, I guess you'd have to hope that they'd rebook you onto Air New Zealand. But it wouldn't surprise me at all if J were full on that flight, and on the next day's UA flight, and...
BTW: I also can't find the particular flights that you're talking about. What are your travel dates?