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United has reconfigured its 757-300 planes to increase density, primarily by adding non E+ seats (1 fewer E+ seats, 22 more E seats).
New Configuration
Boeing 757-300 (753)
24F 54E+ 156E
Post 165 assesses Seats 7DE (and 8ABC) (summary - watch out)
The armrest between 23 B/C and D/E is movable.
The inboard armrest on 23A & F is fixed and contains the tray table.
https://www.aerolopa.com/ua-753
Previous thread:Consolidated "UA 757-300 Seating, IFE, etc." Thread
New Configuration
Boeing 757-300 (753)
24F 54E+ 156E
Post 165 assesses Seats 7DE (and 8ABC) (summary - watch out)
The armrest between 23 B/C and D/E is movable.
The inboard armrest on 23A & F is fixed and contains the tray table.
https://www.aerolopa.com/ua-753
Previous thread:Consolidated "UA 757-300 Seating, IFE, etc." Thread
Everything You Wanted to Know About Where to Sit on 757-300 Slimline (24F,54E+,156E-)
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The "good seat" to not so good seat ratio is at 24.7% (52/210) similar to the craptastic v.3 739 which is 24.5% E+ (39 E+/159).
At the same time that United is making E+ and Y both more dense, and selling more F at deep discounts or as TODs they are materially reducing E+. United is adopting Delta's Y+/Y- ratio, but with, on many planes, fewer F seats, and TODs.
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Delta's version has 210 Y, with 5 1/2 rows of C+ (with 34" pitch) and 4 lavs for Y. UA currently has 189 Y, with 61/2 rows of 35" E+, and 4 lavs for Y. I guess UA has a choice here, do they go with 3 lavs and keep more E+ seats, or do they go with a very similar configuration to DL, cutting out one row of E+?
And maybe more importantly, the lavs aren't all in the back, like the Big 3's 738s or DL's 739s.
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Let's see here. It retains easily the best recliner F cabin in the fleet. And there's no measure that says the 738 will be better in Y. The 753 Y cabin will be be a mixed bag like it's always been. There's areas where it's the best in the narrowbody fleet, like with all the exit rows, and there's areas where it's the worst (like being in the back with a tight connection). The overall result is that it will still be arguably the best narrowbody in the fleet due to the superior F cabin. There's no objective way to say it's the overall worst.
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But domestically:
Delta A319 (12) > UA A319 (8)
Delta A320 (16) > UA A320 (12)
Delta A321 (20 F, 172 Y > every grubby plane in UA's domestic fleet
Delta B717 (12 F, 98 18" wide Y) > UA 737-700 (12 F, with 106 Y)
Delta E-170 (9 F, 60Y) > UA D-170 (6 F, 64Y)
Delta 738(16 F, 144 Y) > UA 738 (16 F, 150 Y)
Delta CRJ-900/E-175 (12 F, 64Y) = UA E-175.
Delta 739 (20 F, 160 Y) = UA 739 (20F, 159 Y)
Delta 752-D (20 F, 179 Y) < UA B739v4 (20 F, 159Y) except probably all of us would rather be on the 757
Delta on many planes has a higher F ratio, and the old claim that UA made it up with E+ seats is just not the case any longer. That, plus that UA still has a higher rate of elites, and with a GS level and TODs is why Delta Plats and even golds can get upgraded periodically, something that basically never happens at UA any longer.
p.s. my figures are from SeatGuru, apologies if they are off in any respect.
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I haven't done the math for F/Y ratio, but I imagine them to be pretty close again. UA might have a lead in that one with their commonly lower density airplanes.
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The fact that United flew these planes for years and there was ability to add 20+ seats to an aircraft and chose not to, to me seems inept. Those seats should have gone in sooner, once the technology and design was there. I understand passenger experience matters, but density and passenger experience aren’t mutually exclusive. United in this config preserved F and E+. What concerns me the most is I hope the company configed the aircraft right to not detrimentally harm flight attendants work space (this happened with Delta). The toilets are a concern but I think if placed in the right space (unlike DL 739s which send everyone to the back) less toilets if spaced appropriately can be ok.
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The fact that United flew these planes for years and there was ability to add 20+ seats to an aircraft and chose not to, to me seems inept. Those seats should have gone in sooner, once the technology and design was there. I understand passenger experience matters, but density and passenger experience aren’t mutually exclusive. United in this config preserved F and E+. What concerns me the most is I hope the company configed the aircraft right to not detrimentally harm flight attendants work space (this happened with Delta). The toilets are a concern but I think if placed in the right space (unlike DL 739s which send everyone to the back) less toilets if spaced appropriately can be ok.
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Never a fan of 753 as a passenger, but as a viewer, I like the look of the plane from the outside.
Put the numbers in perspective: 183 Y on the 788 and 204 Y on the 789, 209 Y on the reconfigured 753.
Put the numbers in perspective: 183 Y on the 788 and 204 Y on the 789, 209 Y on the reconfigured 753.
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Not so. The 753 F cabin is the only standard F cabin that is exclusive and private and includes 2L boarding. It also is only beaten by the A320 in pitch, and there's no indication in the released data so far to indicate a pitch decline. There may be more room when all is said and done. Add in a good lav ratio with both front and rear access points, and the most "normal" F seats away from bulkheads, and there's plenty of objective facts that say the 753 is and will remain the best mainline plane in standard F.
2L boarding, seat width, number of lavs, and pitch can be objectively measured. We know what they are. But in the end, how passengers regard and rank those objective features are up to each and every passenger, who makes a subjective determination as to which aircraft they prefer. And if you're going to "objectively rank" the F cabin, how do you "objectively" decide which seat is more comfortable? You believe that the 753 is the best cabin in the fleet, and I suspect others share that view. But that is based on your subjective determination that the privacy afforded the 757 cabin makes it "objectively" better. There is simply no such thing as an "objectively best" F cabin on any airline, because the flying population are individuals who value things differently.
Yes, during the boarding process, the privacy is better in the 757. On disembarking, if I've got a tight connection, I prefer 1L boarding because that means I get off the aircraft quicker than if 2L is used to disembark. You mention the pitch is better in the A320. While I value seat width over pitch when sitting in back, when I'm up front in any aircraft, pitch and seat comfort are key. And as you admit, the A320 F pitch beats the 753. And unless UA installs slimline F seats in the 753, I doubt pitch is going to improve.
I love the 752. I wish Boeing had built a 757max. But if I'm choosing amongst the UA recliner F cabins, I'm doing it in this order, because I like the new F seats in the Airbus: A320/A319/B753/B738/B739. YMMV, of course.
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Let's try again.
2L boarding, seat width, number of lavs, and pitch can be objectively measured. We know what they are. But in the end, how passengers regard and rank those objective features are up to each and every passenger, who makes a subjective determination as to which aircraft they prefer. And if you're going to "objectively rank" the F cabin, how do you "objectively" decide which seat is more comfortable? You believe that the 753 is the best cabin in the fleet, and I suspect others share that view. But that is based on your subjective determination that the privacy afforded the 757 cabin makes it "objectively" better. There is simply no such thing as an "objectively best" F cabin on any airline, because the flying population are individuals who value things differently.
Yes, during the boarding process, the privacy is better in the 757. On disembarking, if I've got a tight connection, I prefer 1L boarding because that means I get off the aircraft quicker than if 2L is used to disembark. You mention the pitch is better in the A320. While I value seat width over pitch when sitting in back, when I'm up front in any aircraft, pitch and seat comfort are key. And as you admit, the A320 F pitch beats the 753. And unless UA installs slimline F seats in the 753, I doubt pitch is going to improve.
I love the 752. I wish Boeing had built a 757max. But if I'm choosing amongst the UA recliner F cabins, I'm doing it in this order, because I like the new F seats in the Airbus: A320/A319/B753/B738/B739. YMMV, of course.
2L boarding, seat width, number of lavs, and pitch can be objectively measured. We know what they are. But in the end, how passengers regard and rank those objective features are up to each and every passenger, who makes a subjective determination as to which aircraft they prefer. And if you're going to "objectively rank" the F cabin, how do you "objectively" decide which seat is more comfortable? You believe that the 753 is the best cabin in the fleet, and I suspect others share that view. But that is based on your subjective determination that the privacy afforded the 757 cabin makes it "objectively" better. There is simply no such thing as an "objectively best" F cabin on any airline, because the flying population are individuals who value things differently.
Yes, during the boarding process, the privacy is better in the 757. On disembarking, if I've got a tight connection, I prefer 1L boarding because that means I get off the aircraft quicker than if 2L is used to disembark. You mention the pitch is better in the A320. While I value seat width over pitch when sitting in back, when I'm up front in any aircraft, pitch and seat comfort are key. And as you admit, the A320 F pitch beats the 753. And unless UA installs slimline F seats in the 753, I doubt pitch is going to improve.
I love the 752. I wish Boeing had built a 757max. But if I'm choosing amongst the UA recliner F cabins, I'm doing it in this order, because I like the new F seats in the Airbus: A320/A319/B753/B738/B739. YMMV, of course.