United/Skywest - Problems with FA's Putting Videos on Internet while Working
Dec 11, 2017, 5:29 pm
#46
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As an aside, you do not have the expectation of privacy in public. While private companies might have rules in place to disallow photography/videos, the rule is if you are in public everyone has the right to film/video you. If you don't like it, you can stay at home with the shades drawn.
The aircraft is arguably a "public place" with rules imposed by the owner of that space, the airline. As has been mentioned United has made some attempts to regulate camera use in THEIR space.
I believe it's important to not let the situation degrade further and RESIST when you're being photographed without your permission.
Dec 11, 2017, 6:03 pm
#47
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Is *EVERYWHERE* but home a "public place". Well no, it isn't. The law is complex in this area as are the legal decisions on "expectation of privacy". Hence the prosecutions for taking videos in "public toilets". And the prosecutions for videos taken IN THE SUSPECT'S HOME in rooms where others are staying. et.al.
The aircraft is arguably a "public place" with rules imposed by the owner of that space, the airline. As has been mentioned United has made some attempts to regulate camera use in THEIR space.
I believe it's important to not let the situation degrade further and RESIST when you're being photographed without your permission.
The aircraft is arguably a "public place" with rules imposed by the owner of that space, the airline. As has been mentioned United has made some attempts to regulate camera use in THEIR space.
I believe it's important to not let the situation degrade further and RESIST when you're being photographed without your permission.
I'm in the surveillance industry, and no, security cameras aren't installed in public toilets, changing rooms, etc. I have security cameras surrounding my house,and a few inside, but not in bedrooms or bathrooms. My kids know that any public space, including airplanes, is fair game for being filmed or photographed. In fact airplanes are the only public mode of transportation I've ever seen without security cameras. Every train I've taken has them, every bus, and a small percentage of elevators have them.
I don't fully understand your concerns, but you do seem passionate about it, even willing to get someone fired over it. On this, we can disagree.
Last edited by COSPILOT; Dec 11, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Dec 11, 2017, 6:18 pm
#48
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Short of banning all cameras, how do you propose enforcing this? If every company fired every employee that took a photo or video at work, we would have a much higher turnover rate at companies.
I'm in the surveillance industry, and no, security cameras aren't installed in public toilets, changing rooms, etc. I have security cameras surrounding my house,and a few inside, but not in bedrooms or bathrooms. My kids know that any public space, including airplanes, is fair game for being filmed or photographed. In fact airplanes are the only public mode of transportation I've ever seen without security cameras. Every train I've taken has them, every bus, and a small percentage of elevators have them.
I don't fully understand your concerns, but you do seem passionate about it, even willing to get someone fired over it. On this, we can disagree.
I'm in the surveillance industry, and no, security cameras aren't installed in public toilets, changing rooms, etc. I have security cameras surrounding my house,and a few inside, but not in bedrooms or bathrooms. My kids know that any public space, including airplanes, is fair game for being filmed or photographed. In fact airplanes are the only public mode of transportation I've ever seen without security cameras. Every train I've taken has them, every bus, and a small percentage of elevators have them.
I don't fully understand your concerns, but you do seem passionate about it, even willing to get someone fired over it. On this, we can disagree.
Dec 11, 2017, 9:54 pm
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Is *EVERYWHERE* but home a "public place". Well no, it isn't. The law is complex in this area as are the legal decisions on "expectation of privacy". Hence the prosecutions for taking videos in "public toilets". And the prosecutions for videos taken IN THE SUSPECT'S HOME in rooms where others are staying. et.al.
The aircraft is arguably a "public place" with rules imposed by the owner of that space, the airline. As has been mentioned United has made some attempts to regulate camera use in THEIR space.
I believe it's important to not let the situation degrade further and RESIST when you're being photographed without your permission.
The aircraft is arguably a "public place" with rules imposed by the owner of that space, the airline. As has been mentioned United has made some attempts to regulate camera use in THEIR space.
I believe it's important to not let the situation degrade further and RESIST when you're being photographed without your permission.
Dec 11, 2017, 11:26 pm
#51
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I don't see being in the background of a photo/video being an invasion of privacy. If someone comes up and asks you your name, age, sexuality, social security number, address then yes that would be an invasion of privacy.
Dec 11, 2017, 11:36 pm
#52
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My Perspective:
Hi there, I saw your video that was posted earlier and I noticed the scene where the back of passengers heads were barely seen, and I couldn't help but notice that the scene looks A LOT like an American Airlines flight. I know because I fly a lot and I very well know the difference between American and United cabins. AND that scene was taken from a passenger's seat view/perspective, rather than being taken from the back of a cabin. The rest of the video's appears that they are wearing United scarves and not the red/blue American scarves. It just seems strange- could it be possible that the FA was riding as a passenger in the American flight? Her view appears a lot like she is just in a normal seat. As for the rest of the video, I don't find it offensive at all, as it appears to be 2 colleagues excited to work with each other. It doesn't even look like there are passengers seen in the rest of the video- It looks a lot like an empty plane. Could it be possible that it was a Ferry flight or they were not yet in flight/passengers haven't boarded yet? Otherwise passengers would be seen in the seats as they were recording and walking down the cabin.
Dec 12, 2017, 12:03 am
#53
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You can’t be for free speech in one case and against it in another.
Let’s be clear about this, because semantics matter. There is no “right to privacy”. One’s privacy is protected as a byproduct of various statutory laws and constitutional amendments. Taking pictures of visible subjects in public spaces is protected under free speech, so what we are really discussing here are the limitations on the first amendment. Airplanes may be shared spaces, but they are certainly not public spaces. It is perfectly acceptable to prohibit photography on one, and IMO this is the correct thing to do.
Last edited by kb9522; Dec 12, 2017 at 12:10 am