Winning the West Coast
Nov 17, 2017, 6:22 am
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I would use EWR - SNA + SJC, I wouldn't use OAK. My first flight to CA was to OAK - not the greatest airport and the surrounds aren't the best either - haven't been there since.
Last edited by ermintrude; Nov 17, 2017 at 12:09 pm Reason: added SJC
Nov 17, 2017, 8:39 am
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There are millions of east bay residents for whom OAK is more convenient than SFO. There's a reason DL, AA, AS, B6, BA, and WN are all there.
Nov 17, 2017, 8:43 am
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Nov 17, 2017, 8:53 am
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Nov 17, 2017, 10:16 am
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Nov 17, 2017, 10:29 am
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Agreed if you have business on the east bay side. I have taken the PATH back and forth which works well but taskes forever.
Nov 17, 2017, 10:47 am
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The population of Alameda and Contra Costa counties alone is over 2.6 million; that doesn't include the many residents of the central valley for whom OAK is more convenient than SFO.
I forgot to add that HA has a large operation at OAK as well.
Nov 17, 2017, 11:09 am
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I think a 2-3x/day operation on OAK-DEN with contract ground handling would be easily workable. WN is in the market with better frequency, but fares are not super-low (no ULCC competition) and the two coexist elsewhere, so I think it could be done.
Nov 17, 2017, 5:40 pm
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SFO face not only worsening traffic in Bay Area, but also continued frequent delays from limited runway availability, and high wind/bad weather [generally not affecting SJC and OAK]. It is logical UA should offer additional new routes out of OAK and SJC.
While UA avoid fierce intra-CA competition, it's logical for routes to its hubs in east coast ORD/EWR/IAD and to key markets like SJC-AUS [high tech industry route].
Where to find extra mainline planes is the challenge.
While UA avoid fierce intra-CA competition, it's logical for routes to its hubs in east coast ORD/EWR/IAD and to key markets like SJC-AUS [high tech industry route].
Where to find extra mainline planes is the challenge.
Nov 17, 2017, 5:49 pm
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Well here at PDX we've got the daytime non-stop to EWR back. That's progress after the Smisek cuts (thanks Scott).
Now how about bringing PDX-LAX back? We don't need the full Shuttle by United, or the UX Brasilia's to Seattle, Eugene or Medford. But a connecting service to get other UA options to Asia would be good. LAX-MEL would mean nothing to me as it's currently a 2-stop from PDX vs 1-stop on DL/VA and AA/QF.
Now how about bringing PDX-LAX back? We don't need the full Shuttle by United, or the UX Brasilia's to Seattle, Eugene or Medford. But a connecting service to get other UA options to Asia would be good. LAX-MEL would mean nothing to me as it's currently a 2-stop from PDX vs 1-stop on DL/VA and AA/QF.
Nov 17, 2017, 6:25 pm
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I wonder how UA will respond to DL launching Delta One service from JFK-SAN. Will UA upgauge to lay flats?
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
Edit: Updated from SNA to SAN
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
Edit: Updated from SNA to SAN
Last edited by JHake10; Nov 17, 2017 at 6:45 pm
Nov 17, 2017, 6:27 pm
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I wonder how UA will respond to DL launching Delta One service from JFK-SNA. Will UA upgauge to lay flats?
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
Nov 17, 2017, 6:34 pm
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No, it isn't. Thirty years of airline hub development history disagrees with you. United has lots of headroom to upgauge domestic flights into SFO to gain seat capacity. The reason to go into SJC or OAK would be competitor yields, high enough to overcome competing with your own SFO hub. Do you think OAK is a high yield hub? I don't - not with Southwest's presence.
Nov 17, 2017, 6:40 pm
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I wonder how UA will respond to DL launching Delta One service from JFK-SNA. Will UA upgauge to lay flats?
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ego-las-vegas/
Oh well
Nov 17, 2017, 6:46 pm
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Reading to fast. Post updated. 
Still wonder if UA would try to complete on that.
I've updated my post to reflect Delta will add Delta One from JFK-SAN (misread as SNA originally). Even so, I wonder if UA will upgauge this. However, as you mentioned, it seems it may not be in the cards aircraft wise.
Still wonder if UA would try to complete on that.
I've updated my post to reflect Delta will add Delta One from JFK-SAN (misread as SNA originally). Even so, I wonder if UA will upgauge this. However, as you mentioned, it seems it may not be in the cards aircraft wise.