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TObject Nov 17, 2017 2:59 pm

Here is what my current economy class reservation says on united.com:


Baggage fees are per traveler

In compliance with U.S. Department of Transportation regulations, checked baggage policies for your current itinerary have been deferred by the marketing carrier, (United Airlines), to the operating carrier. As a result, your baggage policies will be determined by Austrian Airlines. Visit united.com/baggage for more information.

Origin and destination for checked baggage 1st bag 2nd bag
Maximum weight and dimensions per piece of baggage Max wt / dim per piece

San Diego, CA (SAN) to Dnepropetrovsk UA (DNK) 0.00 USD 0.00 USD
70.0lbs (32.0kg) - 62.0in (157.0cm)

Dnepropetrovsk UA (DNK) to Vienna, Austria (VIE) 0.00 USD 100.00 USD
50.0lbs (23.0kg) - 62.0in (157.0cm)

Vienna, Austria (VIE) to San Diego, CA (SAN) 0.00 USD 100.00 USD
50.0lbs (23.0kg) - 62.0in (157.0cm)

Baggage check-in must occur with United or United Express, and you must have valid MileagePlus Premier® Platinum membership at time of check-in to qualify for waiver of service charges for up to three checked bags (within specified size and weight limits).
On the Amadeus record BAG is listed as 1PC on all segments and the note section contains:

BAGGAGE POLICY

UA Airline
http://www.united.com/CMS/en-US/trav...edBaggage.aspx

SANDNK
1ST CHECKED BAG: FREE OF CHARGE UPTO50LB 23KG AND62LI 158LCM
OR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
OR FISHING EQUIPMENT
OR GOLF EQUIPMENT
2ND CHECKED BAG: 100.00USD UPTO50LB 23KG AND62LI 158LCM
OR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
OR FISHING EQUIPMENT
OR GOLF EQUIPMENT
DNKSAN
1ST CHECKED BAG: FREE OF CHARGE UPTO50LB 23KG AND62LI 158LCM
OR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
OR FISHING EQUIPMENT
OR GOLF EQUIPMENT
2ND CHECKED BAG: 100.00USD UPTO50LB 23KG AND62LI 158LCM
OR MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS
OR FISHING EQUIPMENT
OR GOLF EQUIPMENT
CARRY-ON BAG:
SANIAD: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE
IADVIE: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE CARRY8KG 18LB UPTO46LI 118LCM
VIEDNK: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE CARRY8KG 18LB UPTO46LI 118LCM
DNKVIE: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE CARRY8KG 18LB UPTO46LI 118LCM
VIEEWR: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE CARRY8KG 18LB UPTO46LI 118LCM
EWRSAN: MAX 1PC FREE OF CHARGE


LB = WEIGHT IN POUNDS, KG = WEIGHT IN KILOS,
LI = LINEAR INCHES, LCM = LINEAR CENTIMETERS,
MAX = MAXIMUM ALLOWED, PC = NUMBER OF PIECES

BAGGAGE ALLOWANCE AND CHARGES ARE PROVIDED FOR INFORMATION ONLY.
ADDITIONAL DISCOUNTS MAY APPLY DEPENDING ON ADVANCE PURCHASE OR
FLYER-SPECIFIC FACTORS (E.G. FREQUENT FLYER STATUS, MILITARY,
CREDIT CARD USED FOR PURCHASE, EARLY PURCHASE OVER THE INTERNET, ETC.)
This is for a round-trip in economy as follows:
SAN >IAD>VIE>DNK
DNK>VIE>EWR>SAN

SAN >IAD and EWR>SAN is UA metal, the rest is Austrian. I am a UA Platinum.

The way I interpret it, the best I can hope for when checking-in with Austrian is one free 50 lb bag and one extra free 50 lb bag, as *G. I would love to be wrong. I will ask Austrians what their computer shows once I am there.

3Cforme Nov 17, 2017 4:40 pm


Originally Posted by Two Bee (Post 29069749)
Well that really sounds great, but in reality once you touch your bags in some foreign airports, and recheck them in, after customs, you may just be at the mercy of the connecting carrier, and the interpretation of "THEIR RULES".

Quoting a U.S. Dept of transportation reg may just get you absolutely NOTHING (possibly with the exception of a request for an interpreter), even from some Star Pard's!

!

If those carriers want to keep their rights to fly to the US., they'll figure it out. The DOT has lots of leverage. If vendors of passenger service systems want to sell their products to international carriers, they will demonstrate compliance.

WineCountryUA Nov 17, 2017 4:49 pm


Originally Posted by TObject (Post 29072526)
Here is what my current economy class reservation says on united.com:



On the Amadeus record BAG is listed as 1PC on all segments and the note section contains:


This is for a round-trip in economy as follows:
SAN >IAD>VIE>DNK
DNK>VIE>EWR>SAN

SAN >IAD and EWR>SAN is UA metal, the rest is Austrian. I am a UA Platinum.

The way I interpret it, the best I can hope for when checking-in with Austrian is one free 50 lb bag and one extra free 50 lb bag, as *G. I would love to be wrong. I will ask Austrians what their computer shows once I am there.

That appears right
OS Free Baggage allowance
for Star Gold, on economy international ticket
" in addition to standard allowance according fare: + 1 x 23 kg "

TObject Nov 17, 2017 5:51 pm


Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 29072803)
If those carriers want to keep their rights to fly to the US., they'll figure it out. The DOT has lots of leverage. If vendors of passenger service systems want to sell their products to international carriers, they will demonstrate compliance.

Here is an idea. Maybe, maybe... nobody is breaking any rules. Perhaps United is allowing premiers to check-in more and heavier bags as a personal favor, while the official allowance stays at some base level. The partners only have to abide by that base level requirements (i.e. one free 50 lb bag in economy class or two free 70 lb bags in business).

Partners may have their own allowances (such as an extra bag for *G), but they do not have to match what United gives to its elites.

Often1 Nov 17, 2017 6:16 pm

Nope. This is relatively easy.

1. The DOT rule only applies to the baggage allowance, not to baggage waivers for status, CC's and the like. Thus, the base allowance is all that carries through.
2. Despite the assertion that other carriers don't enforce US law, that is simply not supported by experience. Sure, there are ignorant counter agents worldwide who screw up all kinds of things. But, if you believe that other carriers won't obey US law on this point, you are simply wrong.
3. If anything, the DOT rule has forced carriers to program their systems and in that process, most agents now see the allowance on screen and don't have to do anything other than look.

If you do run into a hassle, don't get into an argument (good way to have your bags routed to somewhere you won't like) just pay up with a CC. When you get home, send a note to the carrier asking for a refund and citing the DOT rule, wait a week and then initiate a chargeback (including both your e-eticket receipt showing the allowance and the DOT rule.

TObject Nov 17, 2017 6:37 pm


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 29073000)
including both your e-eticket receipt showing the allowance and the DOT rule.

That is the point. The receipt does NOT show the extra bags elites are allowed.

TObject Jan 8, 2018 7:12 pm


Originally Posted by TObject (Post 29072526)
The way I interpret it, the best I can hope for when checking-in with Austrian is one free 50 lb bag and one extra free 50 lb bag, as *G. I would love to be wrong. I will ask Austrians what their computer shows once I am there.

Reporting back after the trip. I asked the Austrian agent, at check in, how many and how heavy free bags was I entitled for, flying economy.
The agent said, that as a *G I was entitled to the second 50 lb bag for free; however she had to fight the computer to accept the second bag. I was not charged for the second bag, but the agent had to call the supervisor, and asked to see my premier card.

So, as expected. Flying economy as Platinum: three 70 lb bags when checking in with United, but two 50 lb bags when checking in with the partner.

wakko11 Feb 1, 2020 8:49 pm

Bumping this thread for recent experiences. I’m looking at booking a LAX-BCN flight on UA, but with an AC codeshare return. Will I get the UA free checked bag on the AC return flight? UA can’t seem to clarify and AC won’t answer my question without having booked a flight (keep asking for record locator). TIA for anyone’s shared experiences.

WineCountryUA Feb 1, 2020 9:57 pm


Originally Posted by wakko11 (Post 32022191)
Bumping this thread for recent experiences. I’m looking at booking a LAX-BCN flight on UA, but with an AC codeshare return. Will I get the UA free checked bag on the AC return flight? UA can’t seem to clarify and AC won’t answer my question without having booked a flight (keep asking for record locator). TIA for anyone’s shared experiences.

With UA on the outbound, you have the ticket allowance, potential some credit card benefit and maybe elite benefit
on the return, you are guaranteed the same ticket benefit, and maybe some star alliance benefit.

So if you are asking about the credit card bag allowance, not AC will not honor that. If you don't have any UA or AC status, you will just have the based ticket bag allowance on the return. For a standard economy ticket (not BE), it would be 1 bag x 50 lbs,

emcampbe Feb 1, 2020 10:11 pm


Originally Posted by wakko11 (Post 32022191)
Bumping this thread for recent experiences. I’m looking at booking a LAX-BCN flight on UA, but with an AC codeshare return. Will I get the UA free checked bag on the AC return flight? UA can’t seem to clarify and AC won’t answer my question without having booked a flight (keep asking for record locator). TIA for anyone’s shared experiences.

rules, as noted upthread, are that the rules of the marketing carrier of the first flight apply for the whole itinerary, meaning you will get UAs base allowance (pax with no status) on both directions, including on an AC-operated return. That’s assuming first flight is UA marketed, but sounds like it is. Assuming no status and in Y, that’s 1 free bag (up to 50lbs). In reality, without status, it’s almost irrelevant, as ACs free bag allowance is the same.

if you’re asking about additional free bags, as a CC holder or elite, those waivers are for UA metal only. However, if you are *G, you’d get an extra bag on AC metal as a *G benefit. AC does not allow more weight per bag like UA does, so you’d be limited to 50 lbs. per piece, rather than the 70 UA allows.

DavidAL Dec 2, 2020 12:32 pm

Curious about the Most Significant Carrier rules are going to affect an upcoming trip. Flying first segment on UA metal in the USA , connecting to ET in ORD to ADD in J as a *G. I know I get 3 bags at 70lbs each, but need to check at least 5 or 6 bags, and pay for the excess. UA has confirmed all the bags are fine at 70lbs, but have to pay for the extra bags. Question is if ET is going to hassle me in ORD since they’re the ones flying over the Atlantic. Any ideas or experiences?

jsloan Dec 2, 2020 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by DavidAL (Post 32858420)
Curious about the Most Significant Carrier rules are going to affect an upcoming trip. Flying first segment on UA metal in the USA , connecting to ET in ORD to ADD in J as a *G. I know I get 3 bags at 70lbs each, but need to check at least 5 or 6 bags, and pay for the excess. UA has confirmed all the bags are fine at 70lbs, but have to pay for the extra bags. Question is if ET is going to hassle me in ORD since they’re the ones flying over the Atlantic. Any ideas or experiences?

The Most Significant Carrier rule does not apply.

ET should accept whatever bags UA gives it and will work out compensation with UA later. You might get some funny looks at ORD, but US law prohibits them from charging you a second time for bags that have been accepted already.

If they try to charge you anyway, and refuse to listen when you tell them it's illegal, personally I would pay a second time and then dispute the charge, and follow up with a DOT complaint, but that's just me.


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