United to buy more NEW 763/4? [Rumor]
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United to buy more NEW 763/4? [Rumor]
I think this is crazy, but then nearly everything about United is crazy these days:
https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
"Boeing is urgently weighing plans to double 767 production in Everett, the Puget Sound Business Journal has learned.
The Chicago-based jetmaker (NYSE: BA) is asking its employees and suppliers whether they can deliver on the rate increase to win a big aircraft order, according to a Boeing document and three industry sources who requested anonymity to protect business relationships.
Boeing has not made a passenger version of its 767 for years. The production increase would offer a steady stream of new work to suppliers in the Puget Sound region.
Boeing spokesman Paul Bergman declined to comment.
The moves come amid rumors Boeing has secured or is close to securing a huge order for 767s from a major airline, possibly United Continental (NYSE: UAL). Between 50 and 100 jets are potentially involved, sources said.
United Continental spokeswoman Andrea Hiller had no immediate comment Thursday."
Count my baffled why someone would want last gen aircraft which are so inefficient compared to more modern planes.
https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/...hoo&yptr=yahoo
"Boeing is urgently weighing plans to double 767 production in Everett, the Puget Sound Business Journal has learned.
The Chicago-based jetmaker (NYSE: BA) is asking its employees and suppliers whether they can deliver on the rate increase to win a big aircraft order, according to a Boeing document and three industry sources who requested anonymity to protect business relationships.
Boeing has not made a passenger version of its 767 for years. The production increase would offer a steady stream of new work to suppliers in the Puget Sound region.
Boeing spokesman Paul Bergman declined to comment.
The moves come amid rumors Boeing has secured or is close to securing a huge order for 767s from a major airline, possibly United Continental (NYSE: UAL). Between 50 and 100 jets are potentially involved, sources said.
United Continental spokeswoman Andrea Hiller had no immediate comment Thursday."
Count my baffled why someone would want last gen aircraft which are so inefficient compared to more modern planes.
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fuel is and will continue to be cheap, offers a vast amount of cargo payload configuration and capacity for its size, it's really not a bad airplane to fly on, the 67 is a reliable workhorse, newer isn't always better, range is very impressive, cost is probably cheap, isn't 67 to 87 and vice versa pilot training something short like 2 weeks or something? who cares if it's last gen if it has a 30-40 year lifespan. i don't think it's that crazy.
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The only way this makes any sense to me is if Boeing re-engines the 767. The 767-400ER with a smaller-fan, derated GEnx engine (similar to the 748) with other incremental improvements could be a winner. It wouldn't be available any time soon, though. Even a re-engined 763ER would be competitive.
Two completely different markets; I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
Two completely different markets; I don't think one has anything to do with the other.
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That said, the only reason it would make sense for UA to do something like this is if it became clear that the 'paper airplane' 797 is not going to be developed / take much longer than expected. Or maybe they are deciding to implement widebody p.s. on a lot more TCON routes (one can dream, right?!).
The absolute number sounds too big to be UA, though. It also sounds way too ambitious given what they have been doing ever since Kirby showed up.
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Apparently, the planes would replace the oldest 763s and be in the fleet until UA receives enough 797s in the late 2020s. UA would then sell the planes to cargo airlines, who are buying every 767 available right now. Honestly, a 767 with slightly better wings/engine would be great in today's fuel environment.
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Apparently, the planes would replace the oldest 763s and be in the fleet until UA receives enough 797s in the late 2020s. UA would then sell the planes to cargo airlines, who are buying every 767 available right now. Honestly, a 767 with slightly better wings/engine would be great in today's fuel environment.
Can we hope this starts the cascading effect of up-gauging throughout the system? Or, viewed from the other end of things (capacity restraint), replaces the current 3-4-3 772HDs with 2-3-2 764s?
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Apparently, the planes would replace the oldest 763s and be in the fleet until UA receives enough 797s in the late 2020s. UA would then sell the planes to cargo airlines, who are buying every 767 available right now. Honestly, a 767 with slightly better wings/engine would be great in today's fuel environment.
One benefit of the 767 I just thought about is airport infrastructure as it can fit in more gates than newer, larger aircraft.
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The cargo conversion effectively eliminates residual value risk and makes this idea a lot more interesting. I doubt there would be many changes to the 767: that adds billions of dollars of cost and years of engineering. Getting airplanes fast and cheap would be a requirement.
One benefit of the 767 I just thought about is airport infrastructure as it can fit in more gates than newer, larger aircraft.
One benefit of the 767 I just thought about is airport infrastructure as it can fit in more gates than newer, larger aircraft.
How nice would it be to see these become the backbone of the domestic network? Fully Polaris’d Up? A guy can dream......
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http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press...air-lines.html
Or brought used MD90s on the lot.
From a pax ex perspective you can't beat a 767 for economy, and with Polaris it's a great layout that beats everyone to Europe and LATAM.
Count me glad if 767s live on a lot longer, in the same way I'm glad Delta ordered MD90s.
That said, Amazon Prime Air seems the more likely order.