Statistics Showing United has more mechanicals?
Hi All:
I have had an extremely bad run of mechanical delays recently and I am wondering if it is bad luck or if United really has far more mechanical issues than other airlines. Does the DOT collect data on mechanical delays/cancellations? |
Originally Posted by NeoOfTheCRS
(Post 28591237)
Does the DOT collect data on mechanical delays/cancellations?
I just pulled the data for January 2017 from DOT. UA had ~42k total flights ad ~8000 flights with a delay. Half of those had "carrier delay" as responsible for part (airlines can assign multiple reasons) of the total delay time. Of ~350 cxl there were ~100 blamed on Carrier reasons. For AA 73k total flights with 14k delays and 7200 w/ carrier as partly at fault. The AA CXLs were ~300/1185 as Carrier. |
United and Delta (others?) report mainline completion rate in their monthly traffic releases. That's not a perfect proxy for delays or cancellations caused by mechanicals - they could roll out another aircraft to complete the flight - but it is something.
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High season, high demand, more robust schedule, higher aircraft utilization, fewer spares sitting idle (and less vacation time allocated to employees as a side effect that impacts me)
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Originally Posted by fastair
(Post 28591763)
High season, high demand, more robust schedule, higher aircraft utilization, fewer spares sitting idle (and less vacation time allocated to employees as a side effect that impacts me)
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Originally Posted by transportprof
(Post 28591782)
Not sure how this last measure would hurt reliability. Wouldn't having more hands on deck increase mx resilience?
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Originally Posted by NeoOfTheCRS
(Post 28591237)
Hi All:
I have had an extremely bad run of mechanical delays recently and I am wondering if it is bad luck or if United really has far more mechanical issues than other airlines. Does the DOT collect data on mechanical delays/cancellations? |
Let's keep in mind that UA's safety record is among the best of any airline. WN and others have fudged on safety putting aircraft in the air they shouldn't.
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Originally Posted by NeoOfTheCRS
(Post 28591237)
.... Does the DOT collect data on mechanical delays/cancellations?
Such as DOT's Air Travel Consumer Report See page 29 for TABLE 9. CAUSES OF DELAY*, BY CARRIER The most recent monthly reports covers May 2017 (issued July 2017) and for Carrier Caused Delays UA was below the industry average. Note -- Express carriers are reported separately from the mainline carriers they service. |
Originally Posted by AirbusFan2B
(Post 28592301)
Let's keep in mind that UA's safety record is among the best of any airline. WN and others have fudged on safety putting aircraft in the air they shouldn't.
Also, canceling due to mx can be viewed as safety positive . . . I'd certainly rather they cancel rather than taking undue risk if there's any question about a mechanical issue. FWIW, I haven't had a UA mx since last December. Of course, the problem with anecdotal reports is they are completely statistically insignificant. |
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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 28592329)
That was my reaction to this thread as well. What's the point here?
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 28592329)
Also, canceling due to mx can be viewed as safety positive . . . I'd certainly rather they cancel rather than taking undue risk if there's any question about a mechanical issue.
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 28592329)
Of course, the problem with anecdotal reports is they are completely statistically insignificant.
Adding another data point from to the collection I have in my prior reply, DL had 70k flights in January 2017 with 12000 delayed; 6500 were at least partially carrier delay. DL also had 782 cxls for the month, 258 for carrier reasons. These stats are mainline-only. UA is ahead of DL/AA in cxls and behind in delays. But not by a ton on a percentage of total flights basis. |
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 28592364)
Yup, which is why the DOT data linked above matters for comparison.
Originally Posted by sbm12
(Post 28592364)
Many people book travel with the expectation of safely getting from A to B at the advertised times.
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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 28592382)
Carrier caused will include causes other than mx.
Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 28592382)
From a safety perspective, I personally would rather fly UA than WN , regardless of their mx cancel percentages. As noted above, WN does have a history of getting busted for flying with unsafe aircraft. So comparing mx cancel rates would not tell you which carrier is "safer."
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Safety delays can be seen as positive or negative. If UA's maintenance is consistently excellent, then more delays for safety show that it's more careful than others in this regard. If UA's maintenance is poor, then more delays for safety don't say anything about UA's attitude to safety - merely that its maintenance is poor.
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Originally Posted by AirbusFan2B
(Post 28592301)
Let's keep in mind that UA's safety record is among the best of any airline. WN and others have fudged on safety putting aircraft in the air they shouldn't.
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