EWR764

Possibly a misfile then as I can't find a resumption...

JOSECONLSCREW28

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Your probably right...bummer love BHX less flying for NTA unless company still continues to give us 5 & 6 day trips with IAD, LAX, DEN & SFO as part of the pairing. NTA for example has a 5 day LHR (EWR-LHR-IAD-LHR-EWR), 6 day NRT (EWR-NRT-DEN-NRT-EWR), 6 day PVG (EWR-PVG-SFO-PVG-EWR), & a 6 day CDG (EWR-CDG-IAD-CDG-EWR). Summer season NTA gets 6 day DUB, EDI & SNN trips doing EWR-DUB/EDI/SNN-ORD-DUB/EDI/SNN-EWR.

minnyfly

A seasonal cut would free up 752s more for MCO than it will for Hawaii. The 752 is still needed most in the summer months, and a seasonal cut won't help with that.

EWR764

DEN-LIH/OGG/KOA going daily year-round, plus BOS-SFO, will require some additional frames that are probably being freed by these seasonal (or permanent?) cuts.

iluv2fly

{Could} you can't name the airport also? Many of us don't know these codes and it would be helpful.

JOSECONLSCREW28

birmingham, uk & shannon, ireland.

minnyfly

What I'm saying is that if this cut was to feed the Hawaii flights, it doesn't make any sense. The new Hawaii flying isn't seasonal. This would do nothing for increasing 752 availability in the summer, when seasonal European routes are in season and P.S. service is at its peak. Even now it doesn't appear that the ex-CO 752 fleet is overused. In the current peak summer season they're still flying leisure routes such as EWR-MCO/TPA and multiple hub-to-hub flights that aren't for positioning purposes. This cut appears more likely to be based strictly on its own economics.

sbm12

The Florida turns are good for aircraft utilization to augment the short TATL hops. There's just enough slack in the schedule to do those and if the planes only fly to Europe they're idle too much.

I believe it is mostly about the economics of the routes. But UA (like more airlines in the northern hemisphere) also does a lot of maintenance and retrofit work in the winter. This helps ease pressures on that front. The p.s. 752s need the fuel tank modifications still, right? This could allow a couple of those to go into the shop without cutting transcon frequencies. And by next Spring they'll be done and the 16J 752s will head back across the Atlantic just as demand picks back up.

Ber2dca

Don't forget that Norwegian has added TATL capacity to some of these markets which may have hurt UA on these routes a bit. Though I believe these routes were always 'on the brink' in winter.

UAGLOBAL

BHX service is terminated following 10/5/17. Station will be shutting down.

IAH-OIL-TRASH

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UA has plenty of single-aisle planes that can fly to/from MCO from anywhere in the contiguous US. The same can't be said for Denver-Hawaii.

minnyfly

Some of the Florida routes are good utilization for European routes, but at least one EWR-MCO is not--as are some of the domestic runs. They're just filling time. There's simply more 752s available than are currently needed for P.S. and long-haul, and we're in the summer peak.

The sUA 752s were reported to be receiving the fuel tank mod next summer, so that doesn't explain it. I don't know for sure, but I assume the sCO birds have it already.

You've just helped prove my point that this has little to nothing to do with Hawaii. UA has been and is currently using the sCO 752s for more than just P.S. and long-haul, and a seasonal cut does little to nothing to help with year-round route availability. It would foolish to think that UA is trimming back a well-performing route just so it can continue flying the 752 on the likes of EWR-MCO/TPA, SFO-IAH-SFO, or IAD-IAH-IAD, when any aircraft in their mainline fleet is capable of it.

sbm12

That's exactly what utilization flying is.

EWR764

757s are rotated through MCOMX for regular maintenance visits, as well. Even in the peak summer (slower season for FL) where most 757s are deployed elsewhere, EWR-MCO will have at least one, and usually several, 752 frequencies.

OpenSky

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Sidenote : Paging QR,EK,EY DOH,AUH,DXB to GLA with continuing service to EWR