Jun 29, 2017, 10:49 am
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Award redemption changes coming Nov. 1, 2017
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.) *NEW* November 1, 2017 award chart
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
http://mileageplusupdates.com/ (Thanks @joelfreak for providing link.)
- Standard awards being replaced by "EveryDay Award" -- variable pricing
- Some increases in longer haul international premium cabin saver awards (Generally 10% or less if any at all)
- Some decreases on shorter non-stop partner saver flights outside the US
- No changes for North America saver economy
- No-show award redeposit fee $125 -- for everyone, no elite exemption.
- Round the World awards are gone
- No changes in UA/UX/Copa or *A mileage upgrades
TPG has some tables showing changes to redemption costs.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/06/uni...eryday-awards/
What if I need to change my existing Standard Award on or after November 1, 2017?
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
UA MP award changes 1 Nov 2017 (Everyday award/dynamic price, No RTW, No Show fee,..)
Jul 1, 2017, 7:23 pm
#181
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Jul 2, 2017, 1:01 am
#183
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This is really bad. We (two of us) were hoping to take a vacation EWR-SYD in Dec 2018. That means we can't book until Jan 2018. I did my planning and we will have about 710,000 miles, 10,000 more than the 700,000 needed (175,000 x 4 for J class). Now we will need 800,000 (200,000 x 4). This sets our vacation back by another year or maybe even two years. Bleah!!!!!!
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
Last edited by phkc070408; Jul 2, 2017 at 1:05 am Reason: Addition
Jul 2, 2017, 1:19 am
#184
Join Date: Apr 2003
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Not exactly. The big change UA made in partner awards a few years back was supposed to apply to changes made after the cut off date even if you bought the ticket before the cutoff data, but in fact it was not implemented and you could freely change after the cut off date. I suspect it was simply because they couldn't implement the "stated" policy with their computer system. Who knows what will happen this time.
http://mileageplusupdates.com/mileag...nglish/awards/
What if I need to change my existing Standard Award on or after November 1, 2017?
Any changes will require a ticket reissue and new pricing and additional fees may apply.
SL
Jul 2, 2017, 5:20 am
#185
Join Date: Apr 2014
Programs: DL Gold, UA nothing (ex-GS), Marriott lifetime Plat, Hyatt Globalist
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This is really bad. We (two of us) were hoping to take a vacation EWR-SYD in Dec 2018. That means we can't book until Jan 2018. I did my planning and we will have about 710,000 miles, 10,000 more than the 700,000 needed (175,000 x 4 for J class). Now we will need 800,000 (200,000 x 4). This sets our vacation back by another year or maybe even two years. Bleah!!!!!!
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
Jul 2, 2017, 5:51 am
#186
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This is really bad. We (two of us) were hoping to take a vacation EWR-SYD in Dec 2018. That means we can't book until Jan 2018. I did my planning and we will have about 710,000 miles, 10,000 more than the 700,000 needed (175,000 x 4 for J class). Now we will need 800,000 (200,000 x 4). This sets our vacation back by another year or maybe even two years. Bleah!!!!!!
Jul 2, 2017, 6:06 am
#187
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: CHS
Programs: UA GS, Bonvoy Amabassador, Hertz PC
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This is really bad. We (two of us) were hoping to take a vacation EWR-SYD in Dec 2018. That means we can't book until Jan 2018. I did my planning and we will have about 710,000 miles, 10,000 more than the 700,000 needed (175,000 x 4 for J class). Now we will need 800,000 (200,000 x 4). This sets our vacation back by another year or maybe even two years. Bleah!!!!!!
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
Well, at least this gives them a better chance to get the Polaris seats installed on the 78s by the time we go.
So much this, You shouldn't be tied to UA metal for any reason for Award tickets and UA IME doesn't release Int'l saver awards like the rest of *A does. You should have no problem finding Business Saver awards if you start that far out.
Jul 5, 2017, 11:58 am
#189
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The price increase should take effect 11/1, yes. The Everyday award is listed at 70K (starting in November). My copy of the Standard Award chart from last year shows 65K. So, it looks like everything is correct. Perhaps you're thinking further back in the past?
Last edited by jsloan; Jul 5, 2017 at 11:58 am Reason: clarification
Jul 5, 2017, 12:02 pm
#190
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Thanks for clarifying. Much appreciated.
Jul 5, 2017, 12:06 pm
#191
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No problem.
For future reference, here is a Wayback Machine link to the old chart, dated 6/16/2015. (HT: WineCountryUA on this thread: PDF award charts gone? ).
For future reference, here is a Wayback Machine link to the old chart, dated 6/16/2015. (HT: WineCountryUA on this thread: PDF award charts gone? ).
Jul 5, 2017, 1:58 pm
#192
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No problem.
For future reference, here is a Wayback Machine link to the old chart, dated 6/16/2015. (HT: WineCountryUA on this thread: PDF award charts gone? ).
For future reference, here is a Wayback Machine link to the old chart, dated 6/16/2015. (HT: WineCountryUA on this thread: PDF award charts gone? ).
Jul 5, 2017, 2:09 pm
#193
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Are you sure? I tried it again, in three different browsers including Chrome incognito mode, and I get the 6/16/15 edition in all three. To be clear -- I mean the Wayback Machine one. UA has messed around with the charts on their website and is redirecting requests for the old chart to the new one.
Jul 5, 2017, 5:21 pm
#194
Join Date: Dec 2005
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Are you sure? I tried it again, in three different browsers including Chrome incognito mode, and I get the 6/16/15 edition in all three. To be clear -- I mean the Wayback Machine one. UA has messed around with the charts on their website and is redirecting requests for the old chart to the new one.
Jul 5, 2017, 5:50 pm
#195
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"[we] are also introducing an updated Saver Award chart for tickets booked on or after November 1, 2017. You’ll notice that some routes will have pricing changes, including lower prices for most short-haul intra-region Economy awards for regions outside of the U.S., such as flights within Europe."
In my book, if you deliberately omit important information in order to mislead your customer, that is dishonest. If you deliberately mis-characterize a price increase as an "update," it's a lie. If you think, your customers are so dumb that they won't see through this transparent perfidy, it's arrogant. If you think lying to your customers in an arrogant manner won't affect your business, you're just a total dim-witted moron.
And yes.. UA used to be more straightforward than the other carriers... but not anymore. I hate doing business with liars.
In my book, if you deliberately omit important information in order to mislead your customer, that is dishonest. If you deliberately mis-characterize a price increase as an "update," it's a lie. If you think, your customers are so dumb that they won't see through this transparent perfidy, it's arrogant. If you think lying to your customers in an arrogant manner won't affect your business, you're just a total dim-witted moron.
And yes.. UA used to be more straightforward than the other carriers... but not anymore. I hate doing business with liars.
If you consider that "omission" a lie, then pretty much everything in the corporate world can be construed as a lie under your standards. What do you expect them to say? "We're changing the award chart, making you pay more miles for the same product, and you're going to like it!"? Not only would that be crazy to say, it's also inaccurate.
In my experiences, it's undeniable that UA is more straight-forward with program changes than AA, DL, and WN. The others won't give you advance warning and/or will simply hide changes to quietly devalue their programs. It's night-and-day different with UA and a breath of fresh air. I don't have to like the changes. As a whole I don't. But I can respect how they are treating me.