Incident w/ pro tennis player, too many carryon items/oversized bag & "aggressive GA"
#106
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United's own website states: "United accepts one item of tennis equipment as checked baggage or carry-on baggage. An item of tennis equipment consists of one tennis racket case containing tennis rackets and balls."
Guess one racket is counted as one carry-on bag. Among airline webpages, only JetBlue very clearly indicates that "single racket = one item":
https://www.jetblue.com/travel/baggage/
A tennis racket may be carried on the aircraft and counts as one carry-on item.
A post in this webpage mentions that the racket itself (or rackets themselves) is counted as an item: https://travel.stackexchange.com/que...bins-in-the-us
All info above suggest that a racket (or a tennis bag with of probably 2-3 rackets) should be taken out from other carry-on bag and be carried on its own. Only then, even if it overs 22 inch or the diagonal limit, it should be fine.
Guess one racket is counted as one carry-on bag. Among airline webpages, only JetBlue very clearly indicates that "single racket = one item":
https://www.jetblue.com/travel/baggage/
A tennis racket may be carried on the aircraft and counts as one carry-on item.
A post in this webpage mentions that the racket itself (or rackets themselves) is counted as an item: https://travel.stackexchange.com/que...bins-in-the-us
All info above suggest that a racket (or a tennis bag with of probably 2-3 rackets) should be taken out from other carry-on bag and be carried on its own. Only then, even if it overs 22 inch or the diagonal limit, it should be fine.
one uses the specifics of a rule to justify, but fails to note the specifics of that very rule were violated. No matter how you slice it, she had exceeded either by generic size, or specific rule regarding what is allowed in a racket bag. By concealing an additional piece beyond what is specifically defined.

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But yes, you are spot on. The mentality of many UA staff is that of being a police officer. They seem to put endless effort into enforcing rules, but little effort into ensuring customer satisfaction. Yet this is not an either or proposition. Look at Lufthansa. NO ONE is more rule focused than a German! Yet they still provide great customer service.
But yes, you are spot on. The mentality of many UA staff is that of being a police officer. They seem to put endless effort into enforcing rules, but little effort into ensuring customer satisfaction. Yet this is not an either or proposition. Look at Lufthansa. NO ONE is more rule focused than a German! Yet they still provide great customer service.
The root cause of many of the issues United brings upon themselves.
The nerve of some passengers...expecting good service?

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I have never in 35 years of flying seen ANYONE checking in their tennis or badminton rackets into cargo. It's always a carry on item within the tennis/badminton carry bag, regardless if it's 1 or 2 or 3 rackets.
Pro's carry 4-6 rackets and that's normal.
I don't see what the big issue is here.
Instead of just being customer friendly and letting it go, this GA has a personal axe to grind. And it's with an asian pro now....
Beating up an asian doctor wasn't enough.
Round two now huh?
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I get it. Had a similar experience in Denver earlier this year. 400k miles a year with exactly the same luggage (completely legal) and for some reason, there was a nutball GA who didn't want to let me on the plane. "I think you're going to take things out of your bag during the flight so it counts as 3 bags. Your bag doesn't slide into the measuring rack smoothly enough." Etc. Etc. All the other agents were rolling their eyes. I don't really blame UA for this, but they do need to make an effort to weed out these crackpot misanthropes.
And BTW - I find the vast majority of UA staff to be very professional and pleasant and some are just outstanding.
And BTW - I find the vast majority of UA staff to be very professional and pleasant and some are just outstanding.

#111
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This passenger was in violation of the carry on policy, plain and simple. You'll notice the previous sentence does not include race either directly or indirectly.
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And when the money exchanged hands, both parties agreed to a set of rules to govern the exchange. When one party ignores those rules and breaks them, there should of course be consequences. And as far as consequences go, the GAs insistence on gate checking the out of policy bag was about as mild as it gets.

#113
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You seem completely oblivious to the concept of service. Of course no one is entitled to bend the rules; however, good service would entail politely communicating the rules and considering their ultimate purpose. This is something the CEO of United has at least verbally recognised, and supposedly is working to re-introduce into the corporate culture. It's not a question of morality, it's a question of affect.

#114
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Tennis and Badminton rackets will snap or crack if you check them into cargo even in the existing soft carry bag. And the risk of warping is also high if subjected to heat for sufficient amount of time.
I have never in 35 years of flying seen ANYONE checking in their tennis or badminton rackets into cargo. It's always a carry on item within the tennis/badminton carry bag, regardless if it's 1 or 2 or 3 rackets.
Pro's carry 4-6 rackets and that's normal.
I don't see what the big issue is here.
Instead of just being customer friendly and letting it go, this GA has a personal axe to grind.
I have never in 35 years of flying seen ANYONE checking in their tennis or badminton rackets into cargo. It's always a carry on item within the tennis/badminton carry bag, regardless if it's 1 or 2 or 3 rackets.
Pro's carry 4-6 rackets and that's normal.
I don't see what the big issue is here.
Instead of just being customer friendly and letting it go, this GA has a personal axe to grind.

#115
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As a professional that flies with expensive electronic/fragile equipment I have to adjust accordingly.
Should I expect to wheel my Pelican case onto the plane and have them put it in a closet?
If I don't want to deal with the case I then can have equipment arranged for rent/use at the destination. Or I can pack it up and ship it if that ends up being cheaper.
I get someone going on vacation that may bring a single racket with them...but just because it is someone's profession then get to go 4 to 6 fold over the allowance?
Should I expect to wheel my Pelican case onto the plane and have them put it in a closet?
If I don't want to deal with the case I then can have equipment arranged for rent/use at the destination. Or I can pack it up and ship it if that ends up being cheaper.
I get someone going on vacation that may bring a single racket with them...but just because it is someone's profession then get to go 4 to 6 fold over the allowance?

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Someone has posted a photo of the bag before the little princess was told to check it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

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Someone has posted a photo of the bag before the little princess was told to check it.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
GAs can be cranky and mean, and it doesn't matter if the pax is a 1K - people constantly and flagrantly try to get around the carry on rules.. Peolle with sports equipment seem to be amongst the worst.. Out in DEN we constantly get snowboarders with a rollaboard, a backpack, AND a helmet/boots acting like they're not carrying on 4 items...

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I've run into my share of CSAs that have a bad attitude or simply don't follow protocol and cause a very poor service situation. But I've not once seen one make up rules or be "aggressive" unless provoked and deemed necessary to end the confrontation.
What I have seen many times though is passengers becoming "aggressive", sometimes in the right, but often in the wrong. Who am I going to believe was right when in doubt, the GA or the passenger? The former of course. And the real news is leaking out that the passenger isn't being truthful.
Good service for all the other passengers is enforcing the carry-on rules so everyone gets a chance at overhead space. Any way you slice it, this person got caught breaking the rules and clearly didn't like being busted. That's her problem, not the airline employee's. Good service isn't "letting stuff go" when someone makes a scene.
What I have seen many times though is passengers becoming "aggressive", sometimes in the right, but often in the wrong. Who am I going to believe was right when in doubt, the GA or the passenger? The former of course. And the real news is leaking out that the passenger isn't being truthful.
Good service for all the other passengers is enforcing the carry-on rules so everyone gets a chance at overhead space. Any way you slice it, this person got caught breaking the rules and clearly didn't like being busted. That's her problem, not the airline employee's. Good service isn't "letting stuff go" when someone makes a scene.

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a good running report from somebody that was on the flight and gives his account of the incident. VASTLY different than what was portrayed the by the "victim".
Glad someone is willing to stand up for the GA when everyone on the internet wants her fired...
a good running report from somebody that was on the flight and gives his account of the incident. VASTLY different than what was portrayed the by the "victim".
Glad someone is willing to stand up for the GA when everyone on the internet wants her fired...
