IAH pax has violin "wrestled" before boarding
Jun 5, 2017, 4:02 pm
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IAH pax has violin "wrestled" before boarding
http://www.thestrad.com/united-airli...ent-violinist/
‘Yennifer Correia…was in the process of boarding her flight from Houston to St Louis when a United supervisor refused to permit her to carry her violin onto the plane,’ ...
‘Without provocation, the supervisor for the Chicago-based carrier then lunged for Ms Correia’s case and, incredibly, tried to wrestle it away from the musician. Ms Correia screamed for help. The United supervisor threatened to “call security” and Ms Correia responded, “Please do!” at which point the United supervisor ran away.’
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At what time is it ok for an airline employee to attempt to touch a passenger's bag without permission, when the passenger has not boarded?
(My apologies that I don't know how to italicize the article quotes while posting from my phone.)
‘Yennifer Correia…was in the process of boarding her flight from Houston to St Louis when a United supervisor refused to permit her to carry her violin onto the plane,’ ...
‘Without provocation, the supervisor for the Chicago-based carrier then lunged for Ms Correia’s case and, incredibly, tried to wrestle it away from the musician. Ms Correia screamed for help. The United supervisor threatened to “call security” and Ms Correia responded, “Please do!” at which point the United supervisor ran away.’
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At what time is it ok for an airline employee to attempt to touch a passenger's bag without permission, when the passenger has not boarded?
(My apologies that I don't know how to italicize the article quotes while posting from my phone.)
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Jun 5, 2017, 4:22 pm
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Grabbing items from passengers is uncalled for. But we have no idea what really happened. In any event, United has a very clear p
licy on musical instruments:
licy on musical instruments:
As part of the allowance of one carry-on bag plus one personal item, a passenger may carry a violin, guitar or other small musical instrument onboard the aircraft if:
- The instrument can be stowed in the overhead bin or under the seat in front of the passenger; and
- There is space for stowage at the time when the passenger boards the aircraft
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Jun 5, 2017, 4:24 pm
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Let's wait before everyone grabs the pitchforks.
Jun 5, 2017, 4:38 pm
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Just from reading the OP's post, I was thinking wow that is some strong language for a reporter to use (lunged, wrestle, screamed, and ran away?). Then I clicked the link and realized it was just copied from a letter written by someone's attorney. So yeah, about as believable as can be expected from an obvious attempt at a money grab.
These "incidents" are quickly going to turn into boy who cried wolf situations, and then no one will believe anything passengers report about airline employee mistreatment.
These "incidents" are quickly going to turn into boy who cried wolf situations, and then no one will believe anything passengers report about airline employee mistreatment.
Jun 5, 2017, 6:29 pm
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We need CCTV footage and we need accurate information to reach any conclusion. This is quite unnerving if UA employee's can openly harrass passengers like this.
The UA union seem to be hiring quite a number of crazy people these days.
The UA union seem to be hiring quite a number of crazy people these days.
Jun 5, 2017, 6:32 pm
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The union's only role in this is a jointly developed agreed upon process for handling employee performance issues / discipline and the union may provide the employee support in the process -- but in the end it is a company decision.
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Jun 5, 2017, 6:40 pm
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Just from reading the OP's post, I was thinking wow that is some strong language for a reporter to use (lunged, wrestle, screamed, and ran away?). Then I clicked the link and realized it was just copied from a letter written by someone's attorney. So yeah, about as believable as can be expected from an obvious attempt at a money grab.
These "incidents" are quickly going to turn into boy who cried wolf situations, and then no one will believe anything passengers report about airline employee mistreatment.
These "incidents" are quickly going to turn into boy who cried wolf situations, and then no one will believe anything passengers report about airline employee mistreatment.
IANAL, but at what point goes grabbing a stranger's possessions become a case of assault, battery, robbery, etc.?
I think we've currently very very very far from "no one will believe anything passengers report about airline employee mistreatment." Most of us still remember the pictures of Dr Dao being dragged off of the UA flight which he had legally boarded with valid tickets and his resulting injuries.
Jun 5, 2017, 7:08 pm
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At the point where you try to take something from someone without permission. In this case, it wouldn't be assault because of the "without provocation" which implies there was no threat.
Jun 5, 2017, 7:21 pm
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I don't know about battery, but it is definitely violince
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Grabbing items from passengers is uncalled for. But we have no idea what really happened. In any event, United has a very clear plicy on musical instruments:
licy on musical instruments:Does IAH have CCTV cameras in the gate area?
Jun 5, 2017, 8:10 pm
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(the f-hole is the curvy s-shaped sound hole on either side of the bridge on a violin, for those who don't know)
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Jun 5, 2017 at 9:46 pm Reason: Underlined meaning of violin design feature to emphasize the appropriate use of the term.
Jun 5, 2017, 8:52 pm
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Or did you mean the lawyer?
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Jun 5, 2017 at 9:47 pm Reason: Restored original quote.