Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > United Airlines | MileagePlus
Reload this Page > Uniformed Crew Bumping CPU List, Sitting in F

Uniformed Crew Bumping CPU List, Sitting in F

Reply

Old May 18, 17, 11:06 am
  #1
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: SEA
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, IHG, Mariott Gold, Avis President's Club
Posts: 7
Uniformed Crew Bumping CPU List, Sitting in F

I've had several flights this week where I have noticed an unusually high amount of crew in uniform sitting up in F, even though there is an UG list with 1ks on it that did not clear. In one case, I was actually #2 on the UG list with T-30 mins to departure and two crew showed up at the gate and bumped both of us 1ks out of line for the 2 remaining F seats. Crew was both pilots and FAs.

Is this being done now as mitigation to the "incident"? I've been 1k for the last 5 years and have never seen anything like this, it's rare to actually see anyone in uniform actually sitting in F let alone bumping the UG list for F seats. Anyone else seen similar activity?
SEA_ is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:08 am
  #2
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 126
can you give a flight and date?
runner450 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:11 am
  #3
 
Join Date: May 2015
Programs: All the programs!
Posts: 640
Email UA and see what they say.
oopl is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:17 am
  #4
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: SEA
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, IHG, Mariott Gold, Avis President's Club
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by runner450 View Post
can you give a flight and date?

The most recent two were UA377 on 5/15 (where I was actually bumped) and UA5223 on 5/17 where I was already confirmed but saw the same thing happen to a few others.

Have seen it recently but never started to really take notice until I was actually bumped, just found it unusual the amount of crew starting to sit up front from what I have experienced in the past.

Originally Posted by oopl View Post
Email UA and see what they say.
I was considering that but figured I'd check with the experts first.

Last edited by WineCountryUA; May 18, 17 at 11:45 am Reason: merging consecutive posts by same member -- please use multi-quote
SEA_ is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:19 am
  #5
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Programs: UA 1K; *G, AA Plat
Posts: 619
Originally Posted by SEA_ View Post
I've had several flights this week where I have noticed an unusually high amount of crew in uniform sitting up in F, even though there is an UG list with 1ks on it that did not clear. In one case, I was actually #2 on the UG list with T-30 mins to departure and two crew showed up at the gate and bumped both of us 1ks out of line for the 2 remaining F seats. Crew was both pilots and FAs.

Is this being done now as mitigation to the "incident"? I've been 1k for the last 5 years and have never seen anything like this, it's rare to actually see anyone in uniform actually sitting in F let alone bumping the UG list for F seats. Anyone else seen similar activity?
Crew in uniform? That's not Non-rev right? So could these be displaced crew needing to fly to help out a sticky situation elsewhere?
laxmillenial is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:22 am
  #6
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: SEA
Programs: UA 1K, Hilton Diamond, IHG, Mariott Gold, Avis President's Club
Posts: 7
Originally Posted by laxmillenial View Post
Crew in uniform? That's not Non-rev right? So could these be displaced crew needing to fly to help out a sticky situation elsewhere?
It was pretty clear to me that they were all commuting, so I can only assume it was non-rev as most crew I've seen flying for personal travel are not in uniform but only wear their IDs.
SEA_ is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:35 am
  #7
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PSP & Tarras (NZ)
Programs: UA 1K (2MM),AS MVP Gold 75K, AA Exec Plat, FB Gold
Posts: 1,041
Whether related to the recent bad PR or not doesn't really matter. UA had unsold, unassigned seats in F and allowed their employees to use it. Sounds like good policy.
zebranz is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:38 am
  #8
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: SFO
Programs: UA & VX (and consequently, now AS) Ritz, Marriott, Hilton, etc.
Posts: 742
I'd wager they're not "bumping the UG list" as you say, but given they're in uniform it's most certainly non-rev positive space i.e. deadheading crew.

That's not a bump, they're ahead of any upgraders.
NoLaGent is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 11:45 am
  #9
Original Member
 
Join Date: May 1998
Location: CT/NY
Programs: UA Platinum/MM, Starwood LT Platinum (former Ambassador), Hyatt Platinum, Marriott Platinum
Posts: 3,992
I believe what you observed was deadheading, not commuting.

Deadheading crew (traveling on company business to operate a flight, traveling back to base in case of IRROP) have confirmed seating ahead of upgrading passengers. I believe, at least in the pilot's contracts, that they deadhead in best available cabin. In cases where a sUA crew is replacing a sCO crew (or vice versa), the original crew would deadhead back to base as applicable, if they can't be rescheduled to work on another flight.

Commuting crew members (traveling out of their own freewill/not company business/IRROP to base, or back to their home, wherever they live) are on standby, last-seat available basis, and upgrade is behind all revenue passengers. In some cases, FAs might need to commute in bench seats if the flight is full. Crew members can commute in or out of uniform.
PTahCha is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:12 pm
  #10
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: New York
Posts: 413
Actually, whether the crew is wearing uniforms does not indicate if they are dead-heading or non-revving. Since 9/11, a lot of crew, pilots and F/A's, wear their uniforms because of the pain of going through security in regular clothes. Some will then change and some won't. Also, those who non-rev when commuting to and from work will more than likely be in uniform. I personally don't wear mine when I non-rev, but then I don't non-rev all that much any more.
fredc84 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:19 pm
  #11
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 7,362
Originally Posted by SEA_ View Post
It was pretty clear to me that they were all commuting...
What is "clear" to you may not be fact.
IAH-OIL-TRASH is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:35 pm
  #12
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: STL
Programs: UA Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 1,158
Originally Posted by SEA_ View Post
The most recent two were UA377 on 5/15 (where I was actually bumped) and UA5223 on 5/17 where I was already confirmed but saw the same thing happen to a few others.

Have seen it recently but never started to really take notice until I was actually bumped, just found it unusual the amount of crew starting to sit up front from what I have experienced in the past.



I was considering that but figured I'd check with the experts first.
You weren't bumped; you bought a coach ticket and played the upgrade lottery. Unless you were upgraded, handed a boarding pass for F, and then they took your seat and reassigned you to Y.....then nothing happened here.

And crew in uniform usually means positive space and there are instances where they are contractually guaranteed a seat in F. If you moved down the list, it most surely wasn't a result of crew members because if they are booked into Y, they will clear into F only after revenue passengers are processed.

So moving on to the next UA horror story.....where nothing actually happened.
qukslvr619 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:42 pm
  #13
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K 1MM; Marriott Plat, Hilton Diamond, Hyatt Refugeeist
Posts: 29,009
Originally Posted by SEA_ View Post
In one case, I was actually #2 on the UG list with T-30 mins to departure and two crew showed up at the gate and bumped both of us 1ks out of line for the 2 remaining F seats. Crew was both pilots and FAs.
Assuming these were NRPS, my question would be whether there was compliance with the new 60 minute crew booking requirement. The fact these crewmembers were not on the upgrade list at T-30 suggests noncompliance.

If OP provides flight details, we can get more info about what actually happened.
Kacee is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:43 pm
  #14
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 2,315
Were these United crew?

Charter airlines, like Atlas and Omni, don't have crew bases in the traditional sense and purchase tickets, often in F, to move crews between the departure points and their homes.
fly18725 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old May 18, 17, 12:47 pm
  #15
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Houston
Programs: UA 1K and Million Miler, *A Gold Marriott Platinum, SPG Platinum, Hertz Five Star,
Posts: 179
Originally Posted by fredc84 View Post
Actually, whether the crew is wearing uniforms does not indicate if they are dead-heading or non-revving. Since 9/11, a lot of crew, pilots and F/A's, wear their uniforms because of the pain of going through security in regular clothes. Some will then change and some won't. Also, those who non-rev when commuting to and from work will more than likely be in uniform. I personally don't wear mine when I non-rev, but then I don't non-rev all that much any more.
PLease confirm- crew on personal travel cannot wear their uniforms???

Originally Posted by NoLaGent View Post
I'd wager they're not "bumping the UG list" as you say, but given they're in uniform it's most certainly non-rev positive space i.e. deadheading crew.

That's not a bump, they're ahead of any upgraders.
I am all for rewarding employees with perks, but totally don't get crew in uniform on business-related travel sitting in F when there are upgrades to be handed out. Crews don't get paid without paying and satisfied customers.

Last edited by WineCountryUA; May 18, 17 at 11:07 pm Reason: merging consecutive posts by same member -- please use multi-quote
Collierkr is offline  
Reply With Quote
 


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 1:20 am.

Home - News - Forum - Hotel Reviews - Glossary - Contact Us - Airport Code Lookup - Terms of Use - Privacy Policy - Cookie Policy - Advertise on FlyerTalk - Archive - Top

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by Flyertalk.com. Copyright 2017 FlyerTalk.com. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.