Recording Passengers/Crew During Incidents...

Old Apr 11, 17, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Rd3 View Post
I said this on the big thread also--might be time to install small cameras on board for the cabin to avoid the he said/she did back and forth--if cops can wear cameras on their shirts, sticking a couple of small cameras in the celing of a cabin shouldn't be an issue
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Old Apr 11, 17, 2:11 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeMpls View Post
Reconsidering the 2nd part of this, and from the IANAL (I am not a lawyer) department, once police are involved the courts might very well decide this as a 2nd amentment issue. Documenting police activity (and esp. abuse) is an important 2nd amendment activity and fairly well established in the case law.
I think you meant to say 1st amendment.

If passengers were able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights while on planes then the cabin crew would be a lot more polite and non-confrontational.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Rd3 View Post
I said this on the big thread also--might be time to install small cameras on board for the cabin to avoid the he said/she did back and forth--if cops can wear cameras on their shirts, sticking a couple of small cameras in the celing of a cabin shouldn't be an issue
You know I'm really surprised this is not a thing already and would welcome it.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 2:46 pm
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Originally Posted by saltydog75 View Post
My problem with everyone filming is just that: they're not doing anything to help whatever situation is being filmed. If one of the folks filming had instead said "hey, this guy's so against leaving the plane that he's willing to be carried out, I'll give up my seat", problem solved.
By the time it got to them physically pulling the guy off the plane it was too late for someone to say hey, stop. I'll give up my seat.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 2:52 pm
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Originally Posted by SkiAdcock View Post
By the time it got to them physically pulling the guy off the plane it was too late for someone to say hey, stop. I'll give up my seat.
This is the part I dont understand.... every time I read this story and the myriad of posts... Im annoyed I wasnt on the flight. Like many FTers, I would have almost crapped my jorts trying to get them to pick me for the $1k voucher
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Old Apr 11, 17, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by saltydog75 View Post
My problem with everyone filming is just that: they're not doing anything to help whatever situation is being filmed. If one of the folks filming had instead said "hey, this guy's so against leaving the plane that he's willing to be carried out, I'll give up my seat", problem solved. (...)

Don't want to get this off-topic. My point is: if your instinct is to immediately whip out your camera and start filming, you should learn to also say: is there anything I can do to help rather than just filming?
It obviously didn't work in this specific case, but I could imagine that people openly filming activity by police or other authorities might very well help with de-escalating the situation.

Or don't you think the next airport cop sent on a plane to remove a passenger isn't going to think about the evening news he might end up on?
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Old Apr 11, 17, 4:16 pm
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My understanding is that UA prohibits recording / photographing UA employees and passengers. So, in this "passenger pulled off plane" incident, would the person who put it on Facebook get into trouble with UA?
Whatever the law may be, whatever the contract of carriage may specify, no one in their right mind would touch the person with a million foot pole.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 4:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Soccerdad1995 View Post
I think you meant to say 1st amendment.

If passengers were able to exercise their 2nd amendment rights while on planes then the cabin crew would be a lot more polite and non-confrontational.
The 2nd Amendment sounds like an upgrade to the Fight Club seats.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by milypan View Post
Ding ding, we have a winner. If AC or UA or whoever wishes to try to enforce this provision, they are free to go to court and litigate it.
Just like a passenger is free to go to court to claim damages related to an airline violating the terms of its contract.

But I get that the deck is stacked against passengers and I think that's crux of the outrage.
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Old Apr 11, 17, 8:15 pm
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I sat across the aisle from an obviously inebriated fellow who vomited as we were backing away from the gate. We returned to the gate, and he was escorted off. In came a cleaning crew of two, with one supervisor; I assume they were not United employees. The drunk's buddy seated next to him made a video of a few seconds of their cleaning process, I am sure to needle his deplaned friend later.

Well, the supervisor did not like this, and demanded the videographer delete the recording. A bit of a spar between the two ensued, with the supervisor trying to sound like a lawyer and talking about an invasion of privacy and threatening to kick him off the flight. The cabin crew seemed mostly uninterested in the whole thing, much less in trying to deplane another pax. The passenger relented.

If it would have been me, I might have responded "don't worry, I have the unlimited data plan, it's already backed up to the cloud, I'll post it to youtube as soon as I land."
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Old Apr 11, 17, 8:30 pm
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Originally Posted by YadiMolina View Post
If it would have been me, I might have responded "don't worry, I have the unlimited data plan, it's already backed up to the cloud, I'll post it to youtube as soon as I land."
They should make an "unlimited data plan" commercial like the movie Cellular

How about, say, safety related violations - for example, meal carts opening up during takeoff, poor exit row briefing, poor safety check before landing - exit row passenger has tray table down during landing, cockpit door pop open during takeoff....

The crew's top priority is probably to make sure the evidence is deleted and might even ask you to delete. If you don't follow, then would you be accused of failure to follow crew instructions?
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Old Apr 12, 17, 9:26 pm
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like other posters have said, its a civil matter. no one can confiscate your phone or force you to delete. you are probably able to record if police are present as they are public servants. The police cannot tell you to stop recording. I would make sure its not in a harassing manner though.. further, if it is litigated, one could possibly point to the probably millions of pictures all over the internet, on social media, etc, that people took on airplanes and argue you can't selectively apply a rule (i.e. they would have to be enforcing the rule uniformly at all times).

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Old Apr 13, 17, 12:31 am
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... If you don't follow, then would you be accused of failure to follow crew instructions?
That is not a lawful crew member instruction and can be ignored.

Granted UA has a policy to prohibit photographing or recording employees doing their jobs, and a crew member telling you to stop would be a lawful instruction because they are enforcing a written policy, but given the climate today, they are unlikely to win that battle....but they certainly do not have the authority to make you delete anything or confiscate your phone or camera.
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Old Apr 13, 17, 4:31 am
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In 2013 there was an incident on a UA flight to IST involving the blogger MatthewLAX being kicked off for taking one photo in the cabin. There's a fairly long thread in TSS-Policy Debate.
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Old Apr 13, 17, 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by stinky123 View Post
There's a difference between illegal and immoral. It may not be legal to film a beatdown in a plane, but not documenting it would be immoral.
And that is the best line I have read to date to describe this whole matter! Good one.
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