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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by economyplusfan
Boarding priority all of a sudden becomes a lot more important. And there will be an infestation of gate lice.
Congregating at boarding area does not help the situation if you do not have a seat assignment or your boarding group is 4 or 5.

Alternatively, some may apply an UA credit card to get boarding group 2.

I can see now more passengers will not have a seat assignment before boarding begins. It is much easier to deny boarding when passengers are at the gate, not on the plane seated. So get your seat assignment ASAP even if it is a middle E- seat.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by hazelrah
I'm curious as to how United handled the 3 other passengers that deplaned. Were these passengers informed of their rights as having been IDBed? Were they advised that they could take payment in the form of cash/check? Were all payments made in accord with required compensation, up to the maximum of $1300? Maybe the press will run this down.
I am willing to wager that they were given voucher for travel on United that expire in one year instead of cash, check, or a coupon good for a check. This is SOP as oft reported on this forum.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
Indeed. In this case, the pax was in the right, the cop was in the wrong, and the pax was beaten, and the cop lost his job.
The "cop" did not lose his job. He was suspended, probably with pay. "Go home, take a week off until this thing blows over. Don't talk to the press."
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by TominLazybrook
If its not a material change...I'm usually amenable to move. But there are seats that are much less desirable.

At some point during the last year, they wanted to move me from my center plane aisle seat to a aisle seat 2 rows from the back. I smiled and said "I'm sorry, but I'd rather not spend the flight with a passengers butt in my face the whole flight (as they are waiting for the restroom)....but....I do note that there are a few dead heads in other E+ aisle seats...Perhaps you could move me, a paying customer, to their seat and then move them to the back of the plane or to a jumpseat". She went away after that. The couple in question had 15 year old kids and neither of them was disabled. It was a 2 hour flight as well.
On Qantas premium economy I booked a seat in the exit row on the A380. The cabin was 50% full. Several Qantas flight attendants asked me to move to let a couple sit together. I declined, pointed out there were plenty of seats in the cabin, and I also noted that the business class was 30 percent empty and offered to take any seat in business class. They declined.

On AA I boarded, found my assigned seat in business class was occupied. The occupant wanted to sit with his family. I refused to take another seat and waited in the galley. The FA put me in F. Was upgraded from coach on an SWU.

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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
I am willing to wager that they were given voucher for travel on United that expire in one year instead of cash, check, or a coupon good for a check. This is SOP as oft reported on this forum.
Betcha they've now retained counsel and UA will be paying them more as well.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by SeaHawg
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=655_1492004707

Another video: From the aisle pax behind him. He does not appear to be belligerent at all. I don't believe any reasonable person watching this could say he was belligerent or out of line.

I've had far more spirited conversations with gate agents before.
Is it not necessary for Oscar Munoz to apologise for wrongly acuusung Dao of belligerence? Otherwise, he has not​ even an ounce of credibility or decency.

The allegation being false can be the subject of suit too!
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by reamworks
So when Munoz says this won't happen again, does that mean I don't have to leave my seat if this happens to me? (and yes, it has happened to me!)
Yes (until he is fired, which will be any day). Be sure to show the FA, GA, and PiC his video.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by exerda
I suppose UA could have just offloaded all the pax, said, "Sorry, we have to cancel this flight," then sent the 4 dead-headers onward. What a waste of money it would have been... but I've had them threaten to do just that in a similar situation before (think it was PSP-LAX or PSP-SFO). They came on board and kept upping the VDB amount, with no takers, and then made the "we'll have to cancel, then," threat. A couple volunteered, and they reboarded one of the prior volunteers.

UA screwed up by not handling things far better in dozens of ways. But I don't buy that the guy was taking some kind of principled stand. I don't think he was thinking things through much at all, and things escalated (thanks to the one plainclothes cop, apparently).

Maybe some will make him into a hero. I don't see this leading to a significant change in policies--maybe GAs will start being able to offer up to $1500 or something, but it's not like they can make unlimited offers--nor do I see it leading to some kind of mass boycott against UA. And I unfortunately don't see it leading to legislative or regulatory changes, either.
I would hope that the DOT would take an extremely dim view of an airline's strategy to cancel a flight and then send an aircraft on the same route immediately (under a different flight number as a special added section?) as a way to avoid VDB/IDB situations and the resulting compensation to customers.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by toomanybooks
Fun to speculate what Herb Kelleher would have done in a situation like this. Probably would have immediately showed up at Dao's hospital room with case of Wild Turkey and apologized like a man instead of weaseling around for more than two days.
I've been lurking since the beginning here. I've been fascinated by the futile attempts to justify UA actions. There are a lot of people in the anonymous world of the Internet that lack common sense and/or basic decency. It is simply impossible, given the established facts, to justify what happened.

This was the first question that popped into my head: "What would Herb have done?" My FF points are all Star Alliance (SG) and WN, so I occasionally have to fly UA. Nobody here, and mean nobody, would be surprised to hear that I grind my teeth and cuss when I see 'UA' on the itinerary. But even for UA, this was such an offensive set of events that I actually checked my calendar to see if it was possibly staged as an April fools joke for Fallon.

Regarding Herb in this situation -- while we whine about 'saved seats' and other stuff over in the WN forum, I cannot conceive that this sort of event would ever occur at WN. It is such a black swan. I suspect Herb would have flown to ORD within hours, with his Wild Turkey, and cried. On camera and for all to see. He would have made things right. And then he would have quit after issuing the following statement: "I'm responsible for this mess. Somehow my organization has failed. That means I have failed."
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
You really think that while they are dragging him the police are going accept another volunteer.

Where is the hypocrisy anyway? They all wanted to go home.
This UA passenger and his wife volunteered to be offloaded but he didn't accept the VDB conditions after being told he wouldn't be going out until the afternoon of the next day.
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Originally Posted by spainflyer
The "cop" did not lose his job. He was suspended, probably with pay. "Go home, take a week off until this thing blows over. Don't talk to the press."
lol. His own police force toss him under the bus in a public statement.

If he keeps his job, it will be on traffic duty at arrivals, policing Ubers. Orange vest in -40 degrees in the winter.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
In this case, the pax was in the right, the cop was in the wrong, and the pax was beaten, and the cop lost his job.
Can you point to a news source reporting the police officer has lost his job? Good Morning America reported he is on paid administrative leave this morning.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by mike_la_jolla
I suspect Herb would have flown to ORD within hours

I can assure you with 100 percent certainty, Herb would not have flown to ORD.

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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by dweick
There are certainly more than two ways to handle an airline wanting to ship their employees around in seats paying customers are sitting in.

United's way is violating their CoC with their paying customers. It's looks like it's the first time a passenger may have not gone along with United's game of tricking passengers into thinking they are required by the CoC to vacate their seat.

But it might be the last.

And the pennies they saved by tricking customers out of their seats is all going to be lost in both the upcoming large settlement and the time and money spent coming up with new policies and training employees.
As a result of all this publicity, I could imagine many of UA's former customers filing DOT complaints.

I wonder what the statute of limitations is for this sort of stuff.

If such treatment was SOP at UA, it could lead to a big class action lawsuit too.
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Old Apr 12, 2017, 10:53 am
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Originally Posted by IncyWincy
Is it not necessary for Oscar Munoz to apologise for wrongly acuusung Dao of belligerence? Otherwise, he has not​ even an ounce of credibility or decency.

The allegation being false can be the subject of suit too!
If United considers that belligerent behavior, then I should have been handcuffed and dragged from the gate several times.

This may be the most damming video of all, and it completely validates why the passengers were frustrated and yelling at the LEOs.

Furthermore, if it is established that the Dr. Dao who was smeared publicly is a different person than the pax in question. Whoa boy, that settlement just had another digit tacked onto it.

Something tells me that David Dao is a common Vietnamese name akin to John Smith over here...
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