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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by spin88
My wife arranged travel for three from china to sfo for a meeting. Just got an e-mail asking them to be rebooked off Ua. Three j fares down the tube for Ua....
Which is a lot more than offering an extra $800 would have been.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 2:59 pm
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Originally Posted by dweick
I think you either didn't listen to the audio or are not hearing it correctly.

He was saying that they (police) were going to kill him. He was scared, he wasn't looking for someone to kill him.

But thanks for blaming the rape victim for being a slut.
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Michael899 View Post
My sense in two decades of dealing with C-suite folks is that the first, knee-jerk response is usually more reflective of their genuine thoughts and feelings. While Tuesday's email from Munoz strikes a more reasonable tone with regards to the gravity of the situation and backtracks a bit from UA's denial of culpability, the damage (especially with Monday's internal email) has been done and continues to resonate. Blaming the victim was a terrible strategy to deploy publicly--by both Munoz and Bethune, among other proxies.

At this juncture, unless Munoz commits to full transparency with regards to how selection of IDB happens generally at UA and specifically in this case, I fear it will not quell the perception that the passenger was in part targeted due to his race. This perception is ricocheting through Asian mass and social media in part due to dramatically varying accounts. Thus far, we've read accounts that varies from "random picks" to "algorithm selected" to mystery computer determination to gate agent determination to manifest notations to the passenger previously volunteering but withdrawing after hearing the next flight won't be until the next day. Which is it and is it in line with the established UA IDB procedure? UA needs to address this before the 4/30 self-imposed deadline to (hopefully) quell the ugly rumors.
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Originally Posted by simpleflyer
I don't know why he was picked, but there was another thread that predates this incident about a disabled passenger being removed from a UA flight and frankly, I think that was a far more serious situation. The guy was dumped on the jetway in his wheelchair and left there. IDBs aren't supposed to be totally random, because unaccompanied minors and disabled passengers are supposed to be exempt.

It is irrelevant to me that the person targeted is 69 years old. My spouse is older, do you think people of that age are automatically equivalent to disabled? That they suffer the same challenges, automatically, by being that age? Do you think a given race makes someone equivalent to disabled, or unaccompanied minor, even if they aren't either?

I understand that people have strong feelings about this, but just because we might say "their motives were x or y" doesn't mean that was the case. It's all speculation.

If you had actually read what I've written above, I'm asking UA to elucidate their IDB policy in general and in this case specifically--to cut through the multitudes of explanations currently offered and to hopefully quell the ugly rumors out there.

Exactly which part of my request is unreasonable or off the mark?

Nowhere was there any mention of age or ageism or disabilities or anything else that you're alleging.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:00 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
I was hearing, "Just kill me."
Has it been deciphered as something else?
Let's have UA's keystone kops bash your head on an armrest and see how coherent you are afterwards.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
I was hearing, "Just kill me."
Has it been deciphered as something else?
They'll kill me, they'll kill me
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
The felon here is United Airlines.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
None of this ridiculous speculation about the passenger will change the fact that United requested the assistance of law enforcement in removing a ticketed passenger from its plane because it needed his paid seat to make up for its own staffing issues.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
Speculation? That's literally all you're spewing.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
Even the Feds sit up and take notice.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/unite...er-that-video/
Administrator Huerta's FAA has actually been very pro consumer and has bucked the past trends of being "part" of the airline industry. Which not coming from an airline unlike the 3 previous administrators I'm sure made a big difference.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by ijgordon
And pretty sure the CoC doesn't endow them either. So now perhaps they'll re-write it to explicitly exclude those rights, and we all lose.
Disagree - the less ambiguity in a contract, the better.

I want to know where I stand so I can plan accordingly.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:05 pm
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It is possible they have been stretching the rules for removing an already boarded passenger and knows they are on thin ice. This flight was for all intents and purposes closed when the four crew waltzed up. They should have been told the flight was closed and full. Full stop. That is what they would have told me if I had shown up off one of their delayed flights having himped it from the other side of the terminal. Instead of inconveniencing some passengers already at the airport and on the plane they could have called the passengers on the flight this crew was destined for and reaccomodated them before they left for the Louisville airport.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
And your proof it wasn't the head injury is....
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
I'm blaming the felon for being a felon. Also I watched the video. Aside from his exact words, the fact he's back on the plane at all indicates he ain't all there. And please, don't just blame a head injury without proof and then act all high and mighty like 99% of what you post isn't pure speculation either.
He certainly wasn't normal after being bashed against a seat rest, bloodied and dragged off a plane.

That he wanted to go home, escaped and ran back into the plane where he took shelter in the back doesn't seem unusual for someone who has been traumatized.

But thanks for staying focused on what he turned into as opposed to what led up to him being bloodied and ending up in the back of a plane petrified of being killed.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:06 pm
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Originally Posted by anacapamalibu


PASSENGER ATTEMPTED TO STRIKE LAW ENFORCEMENT

Hookem and Bookem

An individual on an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States who, by assaulting or intimidating a flight crew member or flight attendant of the aircraft, interferes with the performance of the duties of the member or attendant or lessens the ability of the member or attendant to perform those duties, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.
That is not what nearby eyewitnesses are saying.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 3:07 pm
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Dr. Dao now has lawyers who have issued a statement on his behalf... asking for privacy as he recuperates.

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