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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
CoC is here: https://www.united.com/web/en-US/con...-carriage.aspx
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by oaken
Is this true? I thought $1350 is the maximum that the airlines MUST pay for IDB per FAA rules but not the maximum the airlines CAN pay.
Well, it's 4 times the fare, capped at $1350 in cash for domestic flights.

UA should've offered more than $800 in vouchers so that someone would actually VDB. $800 in cash, perhaps. Those vouchers are accompanied by like 1001 conditions...

Vouchers don't cost UA a whole lot.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Steffo
The airlines will now change their CoC's to give themselves all of the powers that folks like Minnfly wish for them to have.
Even stricter CoCs may bit them in the a$$ too. If the CoC essentially discharge the carrier of its principal duties, a Court might void the CoC altogether. For that to happen, these CoCs would have to be very extreme.

Originally Posted by Ber2dca
3 out of 4 selected pax who got bumped left the plane.
So what? 1 refused and insisted on UA performing the contract as agreed upon. If that's what it takes to be "mentally ill", the I (and many others here) must be mentally ill too.

The flight was full (i.e. 70 passengers) and absolutely nobody took the VDB offer. Are they all mentally ill or was the UA offer simply too bad?

Originally Posted by Ber2dca
He's simply what you'd call a 'troubled character'. His assessment said he's prone to 'magical thinking' i.e. his conduct can be divorced from reality.
OR This is a guy that wouldn't want to be effed over by UA. I would know plenty of people that would have reacted exactly the same if they were told to leave after settling in.

BTW: I find it absolutely disgraceful of you to go to such lengths just to discredit a passenger. Your comments have absolutely nothing to do with defending the airline.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by ddarko
If only the scum dredging up this irrelevant crap about his past could find a fellow passenger who said he was belligerent and confrontation on Sunday....oh right, they can't so character assassination will have to do.
Yeah because it's totally normal for a dude to re-enter an airplane he was ejected from and to then tell security to kill him. Totally sane behavior that bears no relationship at all to the conduct that led to his forceful eviction in the first place!
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:10 pm
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Originally Posted by AK-business-traveler
Latest reports are that UA is down $1 billion in value today.

Can't wait to see heads roll. As Oscar's boneheaded statements continue to make the situation even worse, the Board of Directors should probably start there. He didn't create the toxic culture there but is certainly responsible for it now.

Unbelievable.
Nope, still ~$500mm. Not hard to figure out. There are ~314mm shares outstanding. Just multiply the shares outstanding (314) by the dollar price change in the stock ($1.53 right now) and you get the magical change in market cap for the day.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by SteveHK
UA employee here. Literally just got this in my inbox addressed to all employees.

Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar

This is a better email than the "belligerent pax" and "stand by you" stuff from yesterday. If United and Oscar had a better "emergency PR response" protocol, and perhaps sent this email earlier, they would've avoided the stock crash in after-hours trading last night.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Yeah because it's totally normal for a dude to re-enter an airplane he was ejected from and to then tell security to kill him. Totally sane behavior that bears no relationship at all to the conduct that led to his forceful eviction in the first place!
Or maybe his behavior is somehow related to the assault and injuries he just received at the hands of the Chicago aviation security.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:12 pm
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Originally Posted by AK-business-traveler
Latest reports are that UA is down $1 billion in value today.

Can't wait to see heads roll. As Oscar's boneheaded statements continue to make the situation even worse, the Board of Directors should probably start there. He didn't create the toxic culture there but is certainly responsible for it now.

Unbelievable.
I read $1.4Bn earlier on Forbes http://fortune.com/2017/04/11/united...es-stock-drop/ but it might have recovered some since then.

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
This is a better email than the "belligerent pax" and "stand by you" stuff from yesterday. If United and Oscar had a better "emergency PR response" protocol, and perhaps sent this email earlier, they would've avoided the stock crash in after-hours trading last night.
Two different writers, I suspect.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
This is a better email than the "belligerent pax" and "stand by you" stuff from yesterday. If United and Oscar had a better "emergency PR response" protocol, and perhaps sent this email earlier, they would've avoided the stock crash in after-hours trading last night.
Back pedal... probably too late.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Yeah because it's totally normal for a dude to re-enter an airplane he was ejected from and to then tell security to kill him. Totally sane behavior that bears no relationship at all to the conduct that led to his forceful eviction in the first place!
He was injured at that point. It just as likely may have been because of that. We don't know, do we?

The lack of empathy is breathtaking.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyngSvyr
Straight from the IDB wiki. My guess is the 4 people chosen were on the cheapest fares & had no FF status with UA.


2. Boarding Priorities - If a flight is Oversold, no one may be denied boarding against his/her will until UA or other carrier personnel first ask for volunteers who will give up their reservations willingly in exchange for compensation as determined by UA. If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA’s boarding priority:
a. Passengers who are Qualified Individuals with Disabilities, unaccompanied minors under the age of 18 years, or minors between the ages of 5 to 15 years who use the unaccompanied minor service, will be the last to be involuntarily denied boarding if it is determined by UA that such denial would constitute a hardship.

b. The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.
"If a flight is Oversold"; the flight was not oversold, it was sold out. There's a difference, so what do the rules say? Seats had to be vacated because a flight crew arrived AFTER boarding and needed seats. That's not the same thing as too many passengers for the number of seats available.

"Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily"; airline/agent didn't apply the rules here - the man boarded, presumably with permission from the agent and by implication, the pilot.

The whole thing was heading for the rocks when the spare crew arrived AFTER boarding the passengers. Agent should have been aware (or someone should have made them aware) a spare crew was coming before boarding.
Could have been easily avoided by offering more compensation. $2000 is looking pretty good value right now compared to a 3% drop in the stock.

I wonder what would have happened if the man had gotten up from his seat peacefully with no fuss. No one would have recorded that and we wouldn't be talking here.

I think we all owe the poor man a big thank you for highlighting that when corporations make a mistake and you try to stand for what's right, the corporation still usually wins. Hopefully the social media aftermath is changing that.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Yeah because it's totally normal for a dude to re-enter an airplane he was ejected from and to then tell security to kill him. Totally sane behavior that bears no relationship at all to the conduct that led to his forceful eviction in the first place!
Sane behavior and forceful eviction or not, this doesn't change the fact that

1) UA could've avoided this in many other different ways

2) the public now sees UA as an airline who can boot you out with minimal compensation for a flight you paid for

Oh yeah, and I think I wouldn't be exactly sane if my head was smashed bloody. Great attitude towards pax. Seriously.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by SteveHK
UA employee here. Literally just got this in my inbox addressed to all employees.

Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar

If that would have been the first message that United sent out the PR response would have been 1000% times better. It would not have made the issue go away, but it would have defused it much faster in the court of public opinion.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by oaken
Is this true? I thought $1350 is the maximum that the airlines MUST pay for IDB per FAA rules but not the maximum the airlines CAN pay.
Yes, there is no maximum as to what UA can offer in discount coupons, cash, or any other medium. Min($1350, 400% of fare) in cash is what they are legally required to offer for IDB.

UA thus took a bet when drafting its policies that the maximum liability they would ever face under any circumstances for IDB was $1,350, and set its max discount coupon offers accordingly. It was a really dumb bet, and they just lost it.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by trouble747
I can't believe you're still pushing this line that a passenger, sitting in a seat on an airplane with their luggage stowed, has not yet "boarded" the aircraft. It defies all common sense.

"Boarding" is the act of coming 'aboard' the vessel. That is, in or onto. And you've offered nothing demonstrating otherwise.
The issue isn't the definition of the process. The issue is when does that process end? You think it's on an individual first-come, first-served basis. Once you are "on the plane" or "in your ticketed seat" you are immune from being IDB. But it makes no practical sense to say it ends when you think it ends. It allows no provision for a whole host of scenarios, such as honest mistakes, operational changes, safety issues, etc. What if a ticketing mistake allows another paying passenger on a full flight steps on the plane with the same seat (it happens)? The one sitting there has rights, but the one standing doesn't? Your definition is anti-consumer and producer in the long-run.
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