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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:54 am
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Originally Posted by jp12687
My opinion on this? The cops over reached when they removed the guy. That said what were they supposed to do with a passenger refusing to leave a plane?

UA asked him to leave several times (also what did the other 3 passengers do). I have been IdB'ed before it sucks. I have also witnessed people asked off a plane (for double booked seats and for being ragingly drunk). I have seen it on pretty much every major airline.

end of day the guy didn't follow instructions and then repeatedly came back into the plane? Officers acted correctly at that point.

You can not like it all you want. You can file endless lawsuits about it AFTER. But in the moment comply with an offers orders or the officer acts and you lose.

The passanger made this this worse by failing to comply. He was in a non winning situation (UAs fault) and made it worse and caused escalation to that point.

that said I hope more people boycott united in tired of over filled clubs and maybe some more of my upgrades will clear.
Absolutely correct. Unfortunately, I think most of the "boycott UA" talk is just that, by people who probably don't fly much anyway.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by khizman
Why not send the airline staff on an uber? Or remind everyone that an uber is only $300?
Largely irrelevant (nevermind the timeout/sleep requirements), because it's the broad policy decision that's the issue - crew taking priority over paid pax. What if the destination was SFO?

And for those saying the IDB's should drive - no. Not everyone has a license, the pax could be foreigners connecting with no permit / no driving experience on the right / unfamiliar with the distance/area, no mobile phone, etc.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
Attacking the victim's prior bad acts - now there's a sure fire winning PR approach.
The brilliance of the UA management team continues to amaze me...
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by Bushdog
*And* it ignores the value (and cost) of the officer's time. I mean, United doesn't directly pay for the officer. Instead we all pay his salary. But net net it costs more.

And in this situation it is actually going to cost United WAY more.

They don't "cap" the rate,United could offer $2000 in funny money to get VDBs. They have a 7:35A flight so I'm sure between that and offering some sort of ground transportation, they could make it work.

it still sucks and I don't think the $300 uberX is a reasonable option to throw out, for one thing, the driver really gets screwed (they have to schlep back 5 hours too on an empty leg!)
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:55 am
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[QUOTE=Artpen100;28160487]
Originally Posted by jp12687
My opinion on this? The cops over reached when they removed the guy. That said what were they supposed to do with a passenger refusing to leave a plane?

UA asked him to leave several times (also what did the other 3 passengers do). I have been IdB'ed before it sucks. I have also witnessed people asked off a plane (for double booked seats and for being ragingly drunk). I have seen it on pretty much every major airline.

end of day the guy didn't follow instructions and then repeatedly came back into the plane? Officers acted correctly at that point.

You can not like it all you want. You can file endless lawsuits about it AFTER. But in the moment comply with an offers orders or the officer acts and you lose.

The passanger made this this worse by failing to comply. He was in a non winning situation (UAs fault) and made it worse and caused escalation to that point.

that said I hope more people boycott united in tired of over filled clubs and maybe some more of my upgrades will clear.[/QUOTE]

Agree 100%. Unfortunately, I suspect most of this "boycott UA" talk is just that, by people who don't fly much anyway.
I agree with everything here... except the boycott United statement. This could have happened on practically any airline. Just happened to be United this time. None of the others are any better, and for those that choose to jump ship to another airline for this reason, or any of the many others.... I can assure you that things are the same everywhere.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:57 am
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Originally Posted by Ausriver
What UA did was terrible and wrong.

Whoever beat the pax was not legal, even though he's law enforcement but they sure used unnecessary violence. Even when police needed to arrest someone, they wouldn't need to use such violence.

I don't travel to US often and only flied with UA twice, I will personally avoid flying UA.
Where is it reported that the guy was beaten (i.e. Kicked, punched, elbowed, slapped, kneed, or struck in any fashion)? The pax interviewed on CNN and the pax interviewed in WaPo said he physically resisted the whole time. The mere fact he hit his lip on the armrest while struggling to stay in his seat doesn't mean he was beaten in any fashion.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:57 am
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This will not end lol

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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
The passenger was wrong to refuse the request/order to deplane. That isn't in serious debate.
Isn't it? Unless he was obliged, either through a contractual obligation or through legislation (and nobody has quoted the relevant legislation), to obey the crew's command to do so, he was not wrong to refuse.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 5:59 am
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Originally Posted by jjmoore
.... but what I'm saying is that the moment the man disobeyed the flight crew AND the police, he was in the wrong... regardless of ANY circumstance.

Respect authority in the moment, but follow up with the legal system if injustice is suspected.
F/A to you "Strip naked and dance in the galley singing the "Frozen" soundtrack. If you don't know the lyrics, we consider that you disobey a flight crew command and must be drag out by LE" What are you going to do?
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by nikolastojsin
This is not IDB, is it? The guy boarded and was in his seat.
As for the rest, well, it is high time for passenger rights movement - the power equation between an airline and passengers in the US is way slanted in favor of the airlines. What United did - removing a paying customer involuntarily AFTER he is in his seat and for reasons of United's operational needs should be illegal.
Absolutely. It should not be legal for an airline to have a passenger forcibly removed from a plane for this purpose. The fact that someone is already in the seat means that you have another individual without one. At that point you need to willingly convince someone to give up their seat, or find another way to accommodate the passenger who does not have one.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:00 am
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Better Call Saul

S’all Good Man, according to Oscar Muńoz. Employees followed “established procedures.” The perp (or victim) became “disruptive and belligerent.” The airline had to “re-accommodate” him using airport police, and Oscar “emphatically” stands behind all of his employees. In keeping with the spirit of the nation’s leader, never apologize, never back down.

Well, that settles it, doesn’t it? Leggings-gate blew over in a couple of days, (because the airline provided a reasonable explanation) UA is clearly counting on the same here (because they think their explanation / justification is reasonable?)

Perhaps time to remember Saul Goodman’s advertising line: “You have rights!”
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:00 am
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Originally Posted by jjmoore
From the standpoint of CoC, UA was likely not allowed to IDB the guy.... but what I'm saying is that the moment the man disobeyed the flight crew AND the police, he was in the wrong... regardless of ANY circumstance.

Respect authority in the moment, but follow up with the legal system if injustice is suspected.

I don't understand what is so difficult to understand about this......?
As someone pointed out in this thread many pages ago, pax have to follow crew and police orders when those relate to safety/security of the flight. Not anything said or asked by crew or police has to be blindly followed.

Resorting to safety and security here (like the crew most likely did when they called the police) to force the pax out of the plane is dodgy at best.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:01 am
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I'm surprised that the CEO thought this was justified and that the passenger was in the wrong.

There has to be a threshold for when its ok to use physical force on a paying passenger who has done nothing, and that threshold I would think would be 'never'
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
F/A to you "Strip naked and dance in the galley singing the "Frozen" soundtrack." What are you going to do?
Reminds me of this story and this film.
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Old Apr 11, 2017, 6:03 am
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Originally Posted by jjmoore

I agree with everything here... except the boycott United statement. This could have happened on practically any airline. Just happened to be United this time. None of the others are any better, and for those that choose to jump ship to another airline for this reason, or any of the many others.... I can assure you that things are the same everywhere.
When United consistently rank last in consumer satisfaction studies, it's pure misfortune they get stuck with bad pax, right?

Could've happened on any airline!!!
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