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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:01 pm
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Looks like a Republic operated flight. There is one later too on Sundays but not Republic.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Um, the poster was insinuating he would assault an officer with a steel container--an object that could cause serious bodily harm if it were swung at someone's head.

This guy wasn't even within striking range with his pipe and was put down. It was deemed a clean shooting: Man shot by LAPD for waving a pipe!!! - YouTube

The poster quoted said he'd hit the officer with his steel container (otherwise known as a weapon).

Of course it happens all the time. Doesn't make it lawful. Deadly force isn't authorized unless reasonable to believe risk of death or serious bodily harm. Anyway the point is don't you see how absurd it is we live in a country where police shooting people for disorderly conduct is acceptable? Amazingly, the U.K. Gets by with a largely unarmed police force who know how to de escalate situations and behave professionally. I don't agree that shooting someone dead is a sensible answer. Just like it wasn't sensible for these officers to drag this man off an airplane under these circumstances.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
Except that the GA has no ability to order a car with the men in black red button that can get the crew to louisville faster than a plane

and the GA can't make a call to the hanger to say 'We have 4 deadheads here, can we dust off one of those 747's sitting idle?'
Maybe one of the resident FAs here can clarify this, but I'm guessing having them ride in a vehicle would start their work timer and not count as, "rest," so they could possibly be timed out before they even made it to Louisville.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by MDJennings
Why should UA offer $1,500 for a VDB when they know they could IDB someone for 400% of their U, L, or T fare?
Because of the difference between VDB and IDB. Better to spend more money and have compliant, possibly even happy passengers, than to spend less money and have angry passengers.

As others have said dozens of times on this thread already ... in trying to save a few bucks in this way, United has cost itself thousands of dollars in bad publicity and ill will.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by BNAFlyer
Of course it happens all the time. Doesn't make it lawful. Deadly force isn't authorized unless reasonable to believe risk of death or serious bodily harm. Anyway the point is don't you see how absurd it is we live in a country where police shooting people for disorderly conduct is acceptable? Amazingly, the U.K. Gets by with a largely unarmed police force who know how to de escalate situations and behave professionally. I don't agree that shooting someone dead is a sensible answer. Just like it wasn't sensible for these officers to drag this man off an airplane under these circumstances.
Once again people need to learn to choose their battles wisely. Take for example those people who decide to lie down in the middle of the freeway. Would it be illegal for someone to run them over? Yes, but what do you care if you're the guy getting run over and you're dead?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer

Hindsight is 20/20. No one can predict a social media backlash before it happens. If the passenger didn't refuse an order from a flight attendant and the Airport Security crew, then not a single person here would have ever heard of this flight or this person.
How much is United paying you and how do I get in on it? Do I submit screenshots for reimbursement? TIA.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:04 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerbaby19
They did buy back his seat with IDB comp that was probably 5-10x what he paid following the law and terms and conditions of the ticket. But he refused to get off the plane. If you refuse to comply with law enforcement officers, this is what happens to you.
We do not live in a society where you can forcibly take someone's possessions unilaterally, even if you pay them money. Other party has to assent.

There are many cases of people not complying with law enforcement and nothing happening to them.Do you read the news?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by Kacee
You have to add "and they are immune to civil suit" in order to match what airlines get.

The IDB regs are a very poor substitute for the civil remedy that passengers would have if Congress hadn't given the airlines a free pass on civil liability.
Between this and the DL meltdown a few days ago, you'd think there would be some push for a Passenger Bill of Rights or more EU261 style regulations, but given our current political environment, that sure as hell won't happen
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by c2cflyer
Except that the GA has no ability to order a car with the men in black red button that can get the crew to louisville faster than a plane

and the GA can't make a call to the hanger to say 'We have 4 deadheads here, can we dust off one of those 747's sitting idle?'

They might have the ability to boost VDB compensation - but do we know what they were offering? Again, the only report I heard is that a single pax offered their seat for $1600 - more than the cost to the airline of an IDB - so it wouldn't have made sense for them to go that high *in the moment*

Hindsight is 20/20. No one can predict a social media backlash before it happens. If the passenger didn't refuse an order from a flight attendant and the Airport Security crew, then not a single person here would have ever heard of this flight or this person.


I'm not defending the actions, I'm just saying, once again, up until the moment Violence was potentially overused to de-board a passenger, there was nothing 'different' about this Oversold situation than about any oversold situation that the UA Staff would have experienced before. The only variable changed was that the bumped passenger refused to be bumped. Up until that point - whether they cheaped out on the VDB offers or not - they could not have predicted that it would have resulted in an injured passenger and a social media incident.

The only thing going through the staff's mind would have been something like "Well, 4 people are going to have to miss this flight - it happens every day - people sometimes get upset but its part of the job, lets go find the unlucky passengers and give them the news"
Why is it the gate agent's job to delay a flight and throw boarded passengers off a flight to accommodate some late arriving deadheads? She should have told them sorry the fight is closed. Seems like someone else should be responsible for moving crews around.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Originally Posted by 1KHI
A complete embarrassment for United, let alone a doctor trying to see patients. They should just increase the offer if that's the case.
Exactly, if they kept increasing the offer someone would have volunteered.
The united gate agents are morons.

The guy had a valid ticket and was already in the seat. His ticket said he was in the right spot. The cops and united workers were wrong.

I wish other passengers stepped in and hog tied those moron cops and threw them off the plane.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:06 pm
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
Because of the difference between VDB and IDB. Better to spend more money and have compliant, possibly even happy passengers, than to spend less money and have angry passengers.

As others have said dozens of times on this thread already ... in trying to save a few bucks in this way, United has cost itself thousands of dollars in bad publicity and ill will.
Some actuary in some closet has most likely done the math for all of these airlines and they determined the cost savings is worth it.

Bad publicity and ill-will? Yeah sure, maybe until someone cash-strapped has to rush home for mom's funeral and they find that UA's fares are $300 cheaper than DL.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:09 pm
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Well it didn't take long, but my agency is getting our first batch of cancelation requests (all paid Biz) and now we need to update our customer list with a whole new batch of blacklist requests for United....and the list wasn't short to begin with.

The team will be up late moving people off UA and over to NH and LH for international, and we're running out of options for domestic flights on an airline that doesn't straight out suck.

Worse, there are rumors going around now (maybe the truth, who knows) the GA targeted Asian customers specifically for IDB - 3 of the 4 targeted were Asian, and only 1 non-Asian because she ran out of Asians to target. Needless to say, the PR nightmare on this has so many tentacles, it will be an ongoing exploding nightmare for days, if not longer.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:09 pm
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Amazing interest in this story.

Oddly, it seems the news media treat this as equal to the nerve-gassing of civilians in Syria.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Yeah when I got hurt my first response is to tell armed officers to kill me. Except not, no normal person does that. If a dude says "kill me" on a plane, is that reason yet to kick them off? Because I think it is. Guys have been kicked off for far less.

The head injury didn't prevent him from somehow making his way back on a plane he has been expelled from already.

I also put a lot of blame on the bleeding heart passengers on the plane. I guess it's the same kind of people who think you can have foreign wars without collateral damage. It's all just 'surgical strikes'.

People these days are living in such bubbles insulated from the calamities of the world that they have zero appreciation for the people who do their best to protect them from those (cops) and think every time things get a bit tough it's the end of the world and it's black/white and there must be some poor victim out there who needs their moral support.
Can you please stop bringing politics into it.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:10 pm
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I don't understand this. If the airline needed to send 4 crew members on that flight to the next destination, why did they not block off 4 seats BEFORE everyone checked in and advised the last 4 passengers checking in in economy they had to take the next flight and offered them compensation.

I understand operational requirements sometimes mean crews need to be rushed to another destination but....this was so so badly handled. In Malaysia, MH I believe keep 2 seats in economy and 2 seats in business class blocked until 24 hours before then release those seats OR during peak periods, keep them blocked in the event they do need to send crews to other destinations and release those seats to standby passengers who come to the airport and are prepared to take a chance for a last minute seat availability.

Someone dropped the ball obviously on this.
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