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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 1:58 pm
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Ok. Just logged on an haven't read the whole thread. I was once in a situation like this and the GA came onboard and on the PA kept raising the offer to get volunteers to take a later flights. When it got to 1000.00 lots of volunteers starting ringing their call buttons. I was one of them and took the offer.

Maybe those were the good old days. I can't tell you how many texts/emails I got from friends/relatives who know I always fly UA. When my DH called me and said someone was dragged off a UA flight i jokingly asked if they were wearing leggings. This is a nightmare month for UA.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 1:58 pm
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Originally Posted by Live4Upgrade
The only people I've ever seen be dragged around like a rag doll are people who are trying to make such a scene of their protesting that they want the attention that comes with their protesting. Logical person would have walked off, even if his hands were being held behind his back.

Plus, if he felt so insulted, why the heck would he go back onto the plane vs being "there is no way in hell I'm going back on that plane"?

The story doesn't add up.

And, for those "frequent flyers" who the news is quoting --- let me guess that most of them are not even *S status.
I really don't think any of us, camped at our cozy keyboards, are in a position to intuit the victim's motives or mental state from watching a couple of ten-second videos. We do know blood was spilled, at United's behest, over a capacity issue United itself created.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by Gig103
That's what I think. United cheaped out, and instead of costing them $5400 to move those crew (which would probably be worth it versus delaying an entire other aircraft), they are suffering far more than that value in bad PR.
Bingo. The GA probably thought he/she was doing the right thing by not raising the VDB offer.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by gold23
I'm not sure I agree that a passenger refusing to deplane is not a security issue. When somebody does not listen to crew, that is always considered a security issue and planes are often met at gates with security personnel ready to meet the passenger(s). In this instance, it seems as if crew made a request that was not followed. Whether or not the request was reasonable is a completely different issue.

People are reacting to the horrible video and photos, needing to place blame on everything and everyone. There is no doubt MASSIVE amounts of blame to be levied, but for me UA is guilty of horrible judgement, customer service, and policy. It is not guilty of assault, or responsible for what happened to this man physically. In that, he shares a little culpability by not obeying security personnel and the security force shares the majority for apparently using excessive force.
I agree that this is the rationalization but I think, as I posted upthread, that the airline industry has essentially outsourced a big part of its customer service to the police under the guise of security.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 1:59 pm
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Originally Posted by EWRMAN
This is really blowing up and is getting bigger and bigger. Friends in the UK who fly once or twice a year are talking about it and how terrible it was.
It has been shown here as well (France) and on my FB feed am getting reposts from as far as Bali.

They will have a very hard time recouping their image.

Originally Posted by traveler4ever
I think everyone should've gotten off the plane in protest to the violence they all had to observe. I would've been traumatized by the whole event, as I'm sure most present were.
I read that some young students with their teacher decided to take another flight. The kids were traumatized.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:00 pm
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As someone based in Europe (read about this on BBC News) I am completely shocked this could have been allowed to happen even more shocked that it could be argued the events leading to this dreadful outcome could be condoned on the part of the airline.

Thank goodness we don't have to put up with the dreadful state of air travel in the US. I am never going to complain about BA again after seeing this.

Utterly vile and reprehensible.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Matthew_DC
Already sent an email to UA registering my disgust. What a p*ss-poor company. If they weren't so cheap, they could have upped the compensation until people volunteered. Instead they have a marvelous P.R. DISASTER on their hands. Serves them right.
$50 says you'll fly UA again if they have a lower fare or better schedule than another airline. Threats on social media taking biz away are seldom met with lasting, tangible action.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by davidc1
Very disturbing. After trying and achieving GS status for the past five years or so.. I am seriously thinking about giving up. Not that this is the only reason.
While I don't doubt that you have legitimate reasons for choosing another carrier, I find comments like this to be quite interesting. So I am not saying your way of thinking on this is wrong but I don't understand how it leads to people making a decision like this.

So if we only were to focus on this one incident, that didn't personally involve you (or maybe it did), how does one GA's handling of the boarding, overzealous airport police, and (quite honestly) a customer who over-reacted and refused to comply with rules, drive business to another airline? This is of course assuming that you didn't have other reasons to not fly United but I've read most FB comments and I see so many people saying "boycott United" or "United is unfair" etc, and I'd say the bulk of these individuals will say they won't fly UA but once they are cheaper than WN, DL, AA, etc, guess what they will.

There are many facets and people within an airline....isolated incidents are going to happen because that is the nature of a large scale operation with employees that interpret rules or situation differently. If one individual at a restaurant within a chain of 1500 locations discriminates against a person wearing a blue shirt and has them forcibly removed, am I to avoid eating at the 1499 other locations because one person seemingly represents the entire chain of restaurants and their operating philosophy?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:01 pm
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Originally Posted by eigenvector
The plane is at the gate. How is he going to cause any security risks by refusing to leave his seat?

United had the power to negotiate with the pax in question or anyone else on the plane by offering more $ to VDB. Instead they decided to use force by calling police to enforce the IDB.

I find that to be unacceptable.
I am 100% in agreement on your final two poiints. 100%. UA should not have gotten to this point.

With respect to the former? Anyone who boards a plane knows that they must comply with crew instructions. This may be a silly rule, but it is there for basic safety and security. Failure to do so is seen universally as a security issue- a potentially unruly passenger, etc.
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CNN is playing this story high in this hour, teasing it up there with Syria and North Korea and ahead of a fatal school shooting in SoCal. "How on earth is the airline explaining this?" asks Jake Tapper.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by BearX220
I really don't think any of us, camped at our cozy keyboards, are in a position to intuit the victim's motives or mental state from watching a couple of ten-second videos. We do know blood was spilled, at United's behest, over a capacity issue United itself created.
They didn't shoot the guy, so let's not over-dramatize the spilling of blood. People live to tell the tale. Officers asked him to leave, he refused. There's only so many ways to move a guy from a window seat against his will and none of them look pretty to the observer.

A reasonable person leaves when asked to leave by the owner of the premises, even if they feel that it's not fair etc. While staff were being stupid in not working on an alternative solution, this guy may have been the ultimate DYKWIA guy in the recent history of commercial aviation.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by SenoritaLC
omg that was heartbreaking to see and listen to. that poor man. it is obvious that he is in shock. i can't imagine what he is going through. i am horrified and am praying for him.
It's sad, prayer is deserved for everyone involved, and I wish it didn't happen. But how can we feel that bad for someone that didn't follow airline employee and then police instructions? You do what they say and negotiate later. This situation doesn't happen if you don't disobey authority. What kind of culture do we have now that thinks you can disobey authority whenever you feel like it?

This all reminds me of a few years ago when I was MDW. I started taking a few photographs of planes and was asked by an officer to stop (I assume from the Chicago Aviation Police, but I don't know certain anymore). Was she nice and polite? No, she was rude and didn't leave a good impression. Was I doing something expressly forbidden? No. Did I comply with the order and go on my way without making a scene? Absolutely.
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Originally Posted by gold23
I'm not sure I agree that a passenger refusing to deplane is not a security issue. When somebody does not listen to crew, that is always considered a security issue
I don't believe there are any laws or rules compelling pax to obey all crew instructions or that you can leverage every failure to obey crew into a security issue. If I'm wrong, please site the specific law or regulation.

Originally Posted by Ber2dca
Failure to vacate premises as ordered by the owner of the premises is not a civil issue anymore. If I tell you to leave my house but you refuse, well, I will call the cops.
If I've rented your premises under a valid lease or other contract, you don't have the right to order me to vacate, unless the contract so provides.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
Bingo. The GA probably thought he/she was doing the right thing by not raising the VDB offer.
Or they weren't allowed to override the MAX amount they could offer without calling for a supervisor and the flight would have taken a delay so they chose what they thought would be the easier route....which wasn't.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 2:03 pm
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CNN is playing this story high in this hour, teasing it up there with Syria and North Korea and ahead of a fatal school shooting in SoCal. "How on earth is the airline explaining this?" asks Jake Tapper.
Someone at UA needs to mea culpa this.

Chicago Aviation Police already basically said "this was wrong and we don't condone it."

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