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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:42 pm
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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by halls120
Not really. A few years ago I was in the UC at NRT, and the CSRs were vainly trying to solicit volunteers for downgrading from J to E+ for a 13 hour NRT-ORD flight. No one was taking that offer, no matter how high it got.
I doubt that's true. It just means they didn't go high enough. :P
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
United has the contractual right to deny boarding, which I suppose they'd argue can take place up until the door closes. There are contractual specified remedies for denied boarding.
If you read the contract, they don't have the rights to willy-nilly select IDB subjects. There are limitations and processes (and remedies) in place.

The processes don't have seem to be followed properly. Buy we'll see that play out in the following days
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by sciflyer
How is it possible people are defending United (and their contract carriers) for treating any passenger this way?
Imagine it's the last flight of the day, and you really want to get home that night. Perhaps it's your son's graduation the next day, perhaps your 10-year old daughter has a piano recital and you've already missed 2 in a row. Perhaps someone is sick. Or perhaps you're a doctor and you have a schedule full of patients that need your attention.

Now imagine that you've been "volunteered", 1 out of well over a hundred passengers. As you're calmly on the phone to whomever to try to fix this inexplicable issue (UA, your lawyer, ...), you're instantly dragged out by your neck. Almost breaking your 60-year old body against one armrest, smashing your face against another one, and dragged out like a bag of rice.

Then just as inexplicably, you're tossed back onto the plane with no assistance, no guidance, just thrown back to find your way back to your original seat.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by fly18725
United has the contractual right to deny boarding, which I suppose they'd argue can take place up until the door closes. There are contractual specified remedies for denied boarding.
A contract they keep well concealed from the average traveller. If we want we can take your money and not fly you as agreed. Very fine print. What are the criteria for selecting the bumpee?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:46 am
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Originally Posted by DCEsquire
I'm certain that there is someone at UA that thinks this is a wonderful way to encourage people to fly/spend more with UA so they get better status...and reduce chances of getting dragged off planes!
Just laying the groundwork for the "We Won't Have You Dragged Off The Aircraft" upsell at purchase.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:46 am
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The passenger was screeching and (likely) injured himself in the struggle.

The actions the authorities took, even if I opposed them, I don't see how it's UA's fault in any way.

Isn't it standard procedure to call them if a passenger repeatedly refuses to obey crew orders?

I imagine the decision to forcibly remove was made by the officers, not United. The GA did let him back on

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:47 am
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Instead of just upping the compensation further until someone bites, they forcibly drag someone off the plane resulting in MUCH more financial loss through lawyer fees and public outcry/lost potential revenue. All because they technically have the legal right to do so. Assuming they do not give a crap about their passengers, someone should care about whether this action makes financial sense?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by STS-134
What kind of idiots do they have running the airline? Everything is for sale at the right price. No one would give up their seat for $800? Then try $1000. If not $1500, then try $1500, or $2000. Eventually someone will bite. And they'll likely post on social media about how generous the airline was to give them such a high compensation in exchange for taking a later flight instead of...well this.
Exactly. UA should have offered $1000. After all, the offer was a flight the next day.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:47 am
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It looks like this is a E170/175 Regional Jet being operated by a UA affiliate, not that, that makes a difference has to what the law is, what are peoples rights.

Once the gate agent(s) knew involuntary bumping was going to happen why board anyone until all the involuntary bumps where identified by the computer lottery and their boarding passes retrieved from them?

I'm sure it was the end of another log miserable day for the ground crew but it is a training issue and where was the station manager or manager on duty to supervise the whole thing?

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by minnyfly
That contract doesn't guarantee that you fly or break federal law. Irrelevant.
we'd love to be shown the federal law that was broken here.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:48 am
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Your safety is worth $800 to UA. Not $900, not $825, $800.

That is how much they will offer to keep people from being beat up.

Am I missing something? Or did UA just put a $800 price on a life? Was there some reason they couldn't offer $1600 or $3200 or $6400 to people to voluntarily give up their seats?

This seems to really change the power equation with UA, either you take our offer or get your head bashed in.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:48 am
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Originally Posted by iquitos
A contract they keep well concealed from the average traveller. If we want we can take your money and not fly you as agreed. Very fine print. What are the criteria for selecting the bumpee?
United Contract of Carriage:

Originally Posted by "United CoC
2. Boarding Priorities - If a flight is Oversold, no one may be denied boarding against his/her will until UA or other carrier personnel first ask for volunteers who will give up their reservations willingly in exchange for compensation as determined by UA. If there are not enough volunteers, other Passengers may be denied boarding involuntarily in accordance with UA’s boarding priority:
A) Passengers who are Qualified Individuals with Disabilities, unaccompanied minors under the age of 18 years, or minors between the ages of 5 to 15 years who use the unaccompanied minor service, will be the last to be involuntarily denied boarding if it is determined by UA that such denial would constitute a hardship.
B) The priority of all other confirmed passengers may be determined based on a passenger’s fare class, itinerary, status of frequent flyer program membership, and the time in which the passenger presents him/herself for check-in without advanced seat assignment.
If you mean I have bought tickets from them yes. UA catches a lot of ...., but every airline, including AA and DL, have rules for IDB too that do get invoked. Not siding with the passenger doesn't mean one agrees with everything UA does. And as others have said, it's based on the current context/evidence. Current signs point to a passenger refusing to get off the aircraft in accordance with the law and United Contract of Carriage, and then getting removed - under debate was whether it was private security using excessive force or a Chicaco Police Officer. Depending on what develops (e.g. support of chicago PD saying it was their officer, or them denying it) context will shape opinion.

United can IDB people by their contract and federal law. At the point where the pax ignores the flight crew all they can do is call law enforcement. If Law enforcement removes him from the plane by force, it's their choice on use of force, not UA. The crappiness on the IDB or oversales in general can also be debated as an industry practice/united, but there's a lot of context still missing here.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:49 am
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by kawaii
I doubt that's true. It just means they didn't go high enough. :P
Agreed. I wouldn't take that downgrade for $1. I would for $1M. Somewhere in between I would take it. Here is a hint on what I also take: an amount large enough to pay for a same day business class seat or two same day adjacent coach seats plus some spending money.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:50 am
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Fair number of defences seem to be of the petty authoritarian sort, "u must comply with the man in unform." This is America of course, still not yet a banana republic though getting there.
This.^
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