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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:42 pm
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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:38 am
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Ahhh, standard practice I see (sorry if it's been posted before, just catching up through most of this).

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by Madone59
I just need to say I do not care this guy is a doctor. I agree that the GA handled this poorly, but the passenger handled it worse!

If I am flying to my wedding and my flight is delayed and I cry "But I am going to miss my own wedding" how is that UA's problam?! Right, it isn't!
So every time u buy a plane ticket, u have no expectation of arriving at your destination at the scheduled time and think the airline shouldn't be accountable to fulfill their side of the bargain?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by mre5765
The pax was boarded. Ergo, it was not an over booking.

The plane was an RJ and every seat taken. Ergo it was overweight.

I've seen pax pulled off boarded plans countless times; I used to live in COS.
Overbooking and boarding are not mutually exclusive. Overbooking can take place after boarding has begun, or GAs can make mistakes and begin boarding and overbooked flight. Technically, I guess W&B is overbooking - it just changes the number of seats available for sale.

I don't see how the reason for overbooking is hugely relevant to the key point that the flight was overbooked.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:38 am
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
You and I do not know what the man did before the officers arrived. What if he threatened the crew? So we are all making judgements with incomplete information.
We do know that the other passengers were horrified. The videos clearly show their shocked looks. Had the man been a raving lunatic or making threats before he was assaulted, they would not have reacted the way they did.

How is it possible people are defending United (and their contract carriers) for treating any passenger this way?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:39 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
What's interesting is that Flyertalk is coming out pro-airline and anti-passenger, and Reddit is coming out the other way round.
{M}ostly people with no clue about the rules. E.g. the lack of understanding how IDB works is on display here. The assertion that weight and balance only applies to 50 seaters. Etc.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:40 am
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Originally Posted by TBD
I supposed you could say that the passenger was trespassing on the plane, and so that was the criminal act.
Hard to make a claim of trespassing when he paid to enter, United accepted his money and issued him a ticket, furthermore to get where he was he just had his ID checked, his seat issued, and allowed to board the plane.

If they want to revoke his right to be there they should also have a fistful of hundred dollar bills to hand him. It's a courtesy that customers will get off with the assumption that the carrier will make good.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by shinbob
I'm going to guess: The gate agent saw this poor guy being dragged down the jetway all roughed up and bloodied, which clearly wasn't the intent. They panicked and hurriedly pushed him back into the plane, hoping that it would all just go away. The rest is history.
It was weight and balance. They re-boarded him after the fiasco and pulled some cargo or bags from the hold.

If was over booking, then they would not have had a seat for him.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:41 am
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Originally Posted by BayAreaPilot
Definitely bad form for the gate agents to board passengers they may have to IDB, but the passenger should have gotten off the plane when asked. The FAA is not amused by passengers who fail to comply with crewmember instructions.
Seriously, no...its bad form for UA to cram employees onto flights.

My questions would include:

1) How many employees (or employee tickets) on the flight?
2) Was the selection of the IVDB person really random, or was it just in the 'good seats' (e.g, excluding middle seats in the back)?
3) Did the airline have the required IVDB paperwork available at the gate?
4) Were the positive space flyers really travelling because they didn't live in their home base?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by BearX220
What's interesting is that Flyertalk is coming out pro-airline and anti-passenger, and Reddit is coming out the other way round.
I think most here are pro-passenger
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:43 am
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Looks like they are having a hard time coming up with a story that will work.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
I have witnessed removal of a pax in Germany by police that really looked like military, with flak vests etc. They were not gentle with the pax who wasn't fighting them, but who wasn't coming along willingly either, similar to this situation. In addition, these guys confiscated the phones of anyone recording them. I don't think any of these police were worried about prison.
Your anecdote is completely meaningless without the reason behind the removal.

Was the guy a wanted criminal who was apprehended at the last minute sneaking out of the country on false ID?

Was he a guy simply trying to get A to B when an incompetent corporation yanked his seat out from under him?

Context matters.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by shinbob
Based on what, exactly? The video of him being knocked out, dragged out, with a bloody mouth? Or perhaps the video of him tossed back on the plane (after being knocked out, dragged out with a bloody mouth)?

Or was it the screaming? Are you not supposed to scream if you're being knocked out, dragged out, with a bloody mouth?
All the videos indicate it. The first evidence of potential issues is failing to comply with instructions by the crew and then authorities. Then when he somehow is back on the plane, he's acting and talking like a person with mental challenges acts. It doesn't prove that he is, but it certainly leans that way.


Originally Posted by deniah
When he paid for the ticket he entered into a contract. That means very much.

If you go back to root-cause, the very clearest mistake is the carrier overselling the seats. Not the guy being denied service at the absolute last second. Therefore it is on them to resolve the situation in a way more amicable than physically yanking someone off against their will.
That contract doesn't guarantee that you fly or break federal law. Irrelevant. Actually in this case the root problem was not overselling the plane. That was resolved. The root issue was the need for crew to displace passengers. It's unfortunate, but that happens. It's better to inconvenience four people than it is to inconvenience dozens or hundreds.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by iquitos
. How much with this PR disaster cost United?
I'm certain that there is someone at UA that thinks this is a wonderful way to encourage people to fly/spend more with UA so they get better status...and reduce chances of getting dragged off planes!
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by iquitos
Looks like they are having a hard time coming up with a story that will work.
They should try the truth.

But decades of UA culture makes it hard for it to tell the truth.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 9:45 am
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Originally Posted by sciflyer
We do know that the other passengers were horrified. The videos clearly show their shocked looks. Had the man been a raving lunatic or making threats before he was assaulted, they would not have reacted the way they did.

How is it possible people are defending United (and their contract carriers) for treating any passenger this way?
Airplanes, especially during boarding, are noisy, so only the closest pax would know what actually transpired, and verbal threats are taken very seriously by the flight crew, so we actually don't know what he might have done. I know that police get a bad reputation for unbridled use of excessive force, but they don't go onboard looking for a fight.

There will certainly be an investigation, let's wait and see what it says.

And, most importantly, I am not apologizing for UA-what they did was ham-handed and silly. But the police are responsible for their actions, not UA.
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