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Old Apr 10, 2017, 8:42 pm
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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Man pulled off of overbooked flight UA3411 (ORD-SDF) 9 Apr 2017 {Settlement reached}

Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by leungy18
Blame a consumer for exercising his rightful choice as part of the free market?

UA should offer higher fares.

Oh wait, they can't. Because their quality of service doesn't warrant those fares.

Anyone wonder why Cathay J charges $7k for transpacific round-trip and UA half that price? Take a guess...
If you want to fly in a business class only 7 seat jet to Louisville, there's a scheduled airline that does that. As far as I know, they don't overbook either.

There is not enough demand to Chicago for them to fly to Chicago with their current fare structure. Your choices are Trans States, Skywest, and whatever other regional partners United and American contracted with.

If you don't like those choices (and I can understand why someone wouldn't), tough luck. Drive, take the bus, or charter your own flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:56 pm
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Originally Posted by rgrobins
Rule 25 in the Contract of Carriage in tandem with FAA rules regarding authority of a flight crew.
That's right. I see the line in that Rule where it says four beasts can remove a passenger out of the seat, smash his head on an arm-rest, and then force the entire lot to deplane 30 minutes later to "clean up" (according to the staff at ORD) so long as it is a paying doctor en-route to assist patients in need. Sickening. Notwithstanding, there is no legacy competition to counter this, inclusive of non-incentive, devalued, oppressive frequent flier mile programs

But this event created United Airlines v. Little Sisters of the Poor. Thank you Bush and Obama for creating this.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Was this really just compared to Rosa Parks? Seriously?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Jumper Jack
So whats a nice. A FA ask a pax for a mile experience in the washroom and we shall obey?
Passengers have a duty to obey a lawful order. Like it or not, telling you "Exit the aircraft now" is a lawful order.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by 5khours
It's not a commercial dispute. Pax are legally required to comply with crew instructions. Full stop.
Remind me, but wasn't Rosa Parks also legally required to comply with the crew member instruction to get to the back of the bus. "Full stop."
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
I guess two of these rules, where causing this much trouble:
  • The tendency of flight crews of calling cops, whenever there is disagreement to their commands.
  • The tendancy of US cops of being rather brutal when it comes to meditating the situation they were called over for
Do they even mediate? They seem to automatically always support the airline. And they are not qualified to mediate. Everything is done at a hurry without due process because it is hurting airlines bottom lines to not have planes take off in time. In other words, commercial reasons, not safety reasons.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Summa Cum Laude Touro Law Center
Throwing in the word "operational" does not magically make it alright. Rule 21 provides for a number circumstances, many of which may be considered "operational" considerations, where United can remove a passenger from a flight. None of those circumstances pertain to this passenger.
again your wrong, the airline needed to get an FA to work flight Read: operational circumstances...
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by demkr
Was this really just compared to Rosa Parks? Seriously?
It really just was.
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Originally Posted by simpletastes
And what if the crew asked me to shoot someone?
Then you'd refused, and be escorted out of the plane. Then you can file your complaints and lawsuits for attempted murder after.
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Originally Posted by Summa Cum Laude Touro Law Center
I don't doubt this is the airlines' view, but it is contrary to the law and United's Contract of Carriage. Now, United will pay the price for disregarding the law and its own contract.
You are correct. They will owe him 4X the base fare he paid for that flight segment. He will likely get a little bonus voucher for the PR mess that has been created here.

He did, however, disobey a police order, and considering this happened on an aircraft, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets put on the no-fly list and gets hit with some sort of misdemeanor charge. That will teach him to think twice before disrespecting a police officer ever again.
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Originally Posted by simpletastes
Do they even mediate? They seem to automatically always support the airline. And they are not qualified to mediate. Everything is done at a hurry without due process because it is hurting airlines bottom lines to not have planes take off in time. In other words, commercial reasons, not safety reasons.
Maybe it's because passengers care about (1) price and (2) on-time departures and arrivals, and little else?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:59 pm
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CNN is practically playing this story on a loop. The more that people naturally associate that scream with United, the better.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by WorldLux
I remember that for the future. Just in case I need to weasel out of a contract.

The first question is: Who is responsible for allocating more seats than available? The passenger? No, the airline. It earns extra money by doing so. If nobody wants to deplane for $800, they should've raised the offer. At some point, somebody will volunteer.

How would you feel if you booked a full fare Y ticket, that's more than $1000 than the super discounted ticket the next morning? If you agreed to the $800 to fly the next morning, you would effectively make a loss of $200, that you paid too much.

You might disagree with my opinion, but I firmly believe in the binding effect of contracts and the vision that both sides shall perform the contract as agreed upon. Regarding T&Cs/CoCs, I have a very critic opinion when it comes to agreements between professional parties and consumers and particularly if these documents contain unusual clauses that are unnecessarily unfavorable to consumers (given that most customers don't read them).
This! Why stop at $800? Keep going. They could have gone to $1300 CASH, plus a flight the next day in first class (if available), plus hotel, meal voucher. They could have really sweetened the pot here. The Gate agent screwed up by throwing in the towel @ $800. United will learn from this. They might even allow them to go higher than $1300 if no one volunteers.

Guess what? They would have gotten volunteers @$1300. I would be shocked if they didn't. The gate agent [text edited by Moderator.]

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Originally Posted by 5khours
Yes you are.
And that attitude right there is the problem.
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Maybe it's because passengers care about (1) price and (2) on-time departures and arrivals, and little else?
(3) not getting IDBed?
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