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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by Carl Johnson
That's true, that's so true. He could have been the Archbishop of Canterbury traveling in disguise, and until somebody proves that isn't true, that's what I'll believe. And the issue of whether or not he is really a physician is absolutely the most important aspect of deciding how this incident reflects on United's status as an airline that lives up to their obligations by transporting passengers to their destinations without smashing their guitars.
United doesn't want to get into the practice of deciding which passengers "circumstances" are more important than others. They can't select that guy, and then have him say "But wait, I'm a physician" and then let him stay. What if the next person says "Well, I'm a lawyer and my client has trial tomorrow", and the next person says, "I'm a mother and my child will be home alone". It could go on and on. United can't be subjectively deciding who's reasons are more valid.

Once they've asked for volunteers and not gotten any, whoever is selected gets asked to leave. Surely they can speak up and state their case, but if another passenger doesn't then volunteer, the original selection is SOL.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
The man was supposedly a 69-year-old doctor who had patients to see in the morning.

His behavior seems kind of odd... what would he have done if he was driving and got pulled over and asked to exit his vehicle?
A couple of news stories I read, and some online comments (neither confirmed AFAIK) suggested one of the LEO used a taser on him. That would certainly explain the disorientation.

But even if that isn't true, and again it may not be, just hitting your head/mouth can stun you. The later videos certainly do suggest he was under some duress, why else would he keep repeating "please kill me"?

Terrifying ordeal for him, I'm sure, and for the other passengers. And probably for the crew.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by snardy
Arguments like these piss me off to no end. Because you trot these out until it happens to YOU and your family. If that's the case, why don't we give airline employees the power to administer rectal exams of every passenger?
Probably not rectal, but certainly other types of exams:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28040354-post68.html

FAs/GAs can pretty much do what they want these days by invoking the, "impeding the duties of the flight crew", clause. You are at the mercy of their caprice and can be thrown off for almost anything. Poor MatthewLAX got a major dose here:

http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.c...king-pictures/

My advice to everyone is to be careful and don't get all worked-up over this and start challenging the FAs. It's really not worth the headache of missing your flight and possible business meetings, etc.

As a disclaimer: I do not condone in any way FA/GA capriciousness. In fact, I loathe it. However, as someone who makes their living by flying, I must subjugate myself to it for the sake of survival. I also do not condone UA's actions in the selection of those to be deboarded in this case. I do, however, recognize their right to do it.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Ber2dca
If procedure was to 'just pay whatever it takes', then that'd be a lot of money down the drain. Businesses don't like that in general.
Then they shouldn't overbook.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:40 pm
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Originally Posted by jjmoore
Nope. All based on paid fare. Award tickets are lowest on totem pole.
Yeah, I was going to ask about award ticket holders being the first bumped, because I fly mostly on points (with Alaska - sometimes with Air Canada).

If IDB compensation is normally 400% of the fare the passenger had actually paid when delayed more than 2 hours, what would a passenger flying on points be entitled to?
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Sabai
What vile culture so permeates this horrible company? After Smisek, are there no decent people working at UA? The 4 UA crew who boarded after the violence inflicted on one of it hapless passengers are no prize either.

UA, minus its toxic employees, needs to be absorbed by another carrier - no salvation here.
That's a bit baby and bathwater don't you think? This company has 86,000 employees and I can honestly say in my nearly 500 United flights only two negative FA/ GA memories stick out in my head. Also, this flight was operated by Republic Airlines (?) on behalf of United Airlines.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Live4Upgrade
$50 says you'll fly UA again if they have a lower fare or better schedule than another airline. Threats on social media taking biz away are seldom met with lasting, tangible action.
How can we do this bet? I live outside the US and only ever take UA from MAD-EWR nonstop these days when I can't get on Iberia at a good price to JFK or MIA. I may have to look more at AA to PHL. Polaris Business was underwhelming the last time I flew it. But I'll take the bet. PM if interested.

You overlook a useful point. Social media threats, when aggregated, register with vendors as they represent a potential threat to market share. Marketing and PR people are there to measure public response. If the public remains quiet about everything because of price calculations, service providers get a green light to do anything.

PS: My small and immediate contribution is cancelling my two United MileagePlus Explorer CC's. Chase Sapphire Reserve is a better deal anyway.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:42 pm
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So it all makes sense now... with the new United seating policy!



Regards,
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PS: United needs to get ahead of this at warp speed. Summer traffic season will soon be upon us. I can image the Delta ad right now. "Fly Delta: We promise not to assault you or your family."
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:42 pm
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Originally Posted by jjmoore
I would say that the crewmember instructed him to exit the aircraft, and he declined, which puts him in defiance of the CoC. He also defied a police order, and ended up getting roughed for it. The injury was likely unintentional.

Bottom line is this: If a police officer demands that I disembark from the plane, I am going to obey immediately.
If this were a passenger creating a security threat then that would be a different scenario entirely. But there is absolutely no excuse or justification for what happened here. It is a disgraceful episode for United and for the police.
It is sad that we have come to expect so little of our airlines and of the police in the United States that it is has come to the point where being violently dragged off an airplane to suit the airline's financial convenience is somehow OK.
Being "in defiance of the CoC" does not subject you to being beaten up. And also the law does not permit the police to "rough up" people who don't do what they say. In fact, the law is quite specific about when it is appropriate to use force and this was not one of those instances. The behavior of the law enforcement officers in this situation was unacceptable and appalling.

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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by zombietooth
Probably not rectal, but certainly other types of exams:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/28040354-post68.html

FAs/GAs can pretty much do what they want these days by invoking the, "impeding the duties of the flight crew" clause. You are at the mercy of their caprice and can be thrown off for almost anything. Poor MatthewLAX got a major dose here:

http://liveandletsfly.boardingarea.c...king-pictures/

My advice to everyone is to be careful and don't get all worked-up over this and start challenging the FAs. It's really not worth the headache of missing your flight and possible business meetings, etc.
I agree in general, but the problem here of course is that he would miss his flight if he did obey.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Bouncer
I can image the Delta ad right now. "Fly Delta: We promise not to assault you or your family."
....and you can wear all the yoga pants you want!
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:44 pm
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UA needs to let front line employees know the power of social media and anything they do can be recorded and posted.

Now...UA's CoC also prohibits recording UA crew members and passengers. Do people get into trouble with UA for posting these things on the Internet? Whether it is incident like this or safety issues or bad service, how does one get evidence if one is not allowed to record?

Definitely making its round in the Chinese media: http://www.worldjournal.com/4918710/...87%8D%E9%BB%9E
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:45 pm
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Originally Posted by planko
I think it would be more accurate the say "the passenger claimed he was a physician..."

No one has yet published his name, so there would be no way to verify this. If someone wanted to make himself sound important, this would certainly be a thing that they might say.
I'm a doc and would never, ever bring that up to avoid being bumped. That said, the flight attendants, and you as a passenger, would be more than happy I be asked to assist if there was a medical emergency on the flight. I've had this happen and volunteered to assist on more than one occasion. And by the way - no, there was no reimbursement offered nor asked for from the airline for my help.

Regarding this story though, seems to me we've got a new money making possibility for United. They can ask passengers to bid on who won't get bumped from a flight. The mind boggles.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by reamworks
Of course, the person made a mistake by not getting up and leaving once the Police arrived, but I'm not sure United did the right thing either based on my reading of https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/250.5 and assuming everything we heard in the video and news stories is complete.
I tend to disagree. I would comply with the request of an officer, provided that officer would give me a change to listen to both sides. I expect from a cop that he tries to mediate (trying to solve the problem peacefully). If he doesn't, I don't see a reason to comply.

I would probably comply with the cop as not to make things more difficult than they are. The presence of the cops was however completely unwarranted for: This wasn't LE matter. UA failed to perform as expected. As a result the customer is unhappy. Don't see a reason why LE should get involved. The cops should've told the cabin crew to solve the problem on their own: Make a better offer and remind the passenger that the flight isn't going to leave until someone deplanes.

Originally Posted by elusive1
I wonder what happens in the EU in these situations?
The incident is IMO to complex to just treat the "denied boarding" part of the incident, hence no point in discussing the hypothetical application of EU air passenger rights.
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Old Apr 10, 2017, 3:46 pm
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Originally Posted by rockyb
Then they shouldn't overbook.
But that'd be even more money down the drain. Overbooking is so standard in the travel industry, it's not even worth making it an issue here. Most of the time nobody will ever notice because a significant % of people don't show up.

If you do get into a mess, you reaccommodate people. Most people are willing to go along with that.

This is a rare and extreme case as various unusual factors came together that affected the choices that had to be made.
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