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Statement from United Airlines Regarding Resolution with Dr. David Dao - released 27 April 2017
CHICAGO, April 27, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- We are pleased to report that United and Dr. Dao have reached an amicable resolution of the unfortunate incident that occurred aboard flight 3411. We look forward to implementing the improvements we have announced, which will put our customers at the center of everything we do.
DOT findings related to the UA3411 9 April 2017 IDB incident 12 May 2017

What facts do we know?
  • UA3411, operated by Republic Airways, ORD-SDF on Sunday, April 9, 2017. UA3411 was the second to last flight to SDF for United. AA3509 and UA4771 were the two remaining departures for the day. Also, AA and DL had connecting options providing for same-day arrival in SDF.
  • After the flight was fully boarded, United determined four seats were needed to accommodate crew to SDF for a flight on Monday.
  • United solicited volunteers for VDB. (BUT stopped at $800 in UA$s, not cash). Chose not to go to the levels such as 1350 that airlines have been known to go even in case of weather impacted disruption)
  • After receiving no volunteers for $800 vouchers, a passenger volunteered for $1,600 and was "laughed at" and refused, United determined four passengers to be removed from the flight.
  • One passenger refused and Chicago Aviation Security Officers were called to forcibly remove the passenger.
  • The passenger hit the armrest in the aisle and received a concussion, a broken nose, a bloodied lip, and the loss of two teeth.
  • After being removed from the plane, the passenger re-boarded saying "I need to go home" repeatedly, before being removed again.
  • United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said the flight was sold out — but not oversold. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines – the unit that operated Flight 3411 – decided they had to remove four passengers from the flight to accommodate crewmembers who were needed in Louisville the next day for a “downline connection.”

United Express Flight 3411 Review and Action Report - released 27 April 2017

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Internal Communication by Oscar Munoz
Oscar Munoz sent an internal communication to UA employees (sources: View From The Wing, Chicago Tribune):
Dear Team,

Like you, I was upset to see and hear about what happened last night aboard United Express Flight 3411 headed from Chicago to Louisville. While the facts and circumstances are still evolving, especially with respect to why this customer defied Chicago Aviation Security Officers the way he did, to give you a clearer picture of what transpired, I've included below a recap from the preliminary reports filed by our employees.

As you will read, this situation was unfortunately compounded when one of the passengers we politely asked to deplane refused and it became necessary to contact Chicago Aviation Security Officers to help. Our employees followed established procedures for dealing with situations like this. While I deeply regret this situation arose, I also emphatically stand behind all of you, and I want to commend you for continuing to go above and beyond to ensure we fly right.

I do, however, believe there are lessons we can learn from this experience, and we are taking a close look at the circumstances surrounding this incident. Treating our customers and each other with respect and dignity is at the core of who we are, and we must always remember this no matter how challenging the situation.

Oscar

Summary of Flight 3411
  • On Sunday, April 9, after United Express Flight 3411 was fully boarded, United's gate agents were approached by crewmembers that were told they needed to board the flight.
  • We sought volunteers and then followed our involuntary denial of boarding process (including offering up to $1,000 in compensation) and when we approached one of these passengers to explain apologetically that he was being denied boarding, he raised his voice and refused to comply with crew member instructions.
  • He was approached a few more times after that in order to gain his compliance to come off the aircraft, and each time he refused and became more and more disruptive and belligerent.
  • Our agents were left with no choice but to call Chicago Aviation Security Officers to assist in removing the customer from the flight. He repeatedly declined to leave.
  • Chicago Aviation Security Officers were unable to gain his cooperation and physically removed him from the flight as he continued to resist - running back onto the aircraft in defiance of both our crew and security officials.
Email sent to all employees at 2:08PM on Tuesday, April 11.
Dear Team,

The truly horrific event that occurred on this flight has elicited many responses from all of us: outrage, anger, disappointment. I share all of those sentiments, and one above all: my deepest apologies for what happened. Like you, I continue to be disturbed by what happened on this flight and I deeply apologize to the customer forcibly removed and to all the customers aboard. No one should ever be mistreated this way.

I want you to know that we take full responsibility and we will work to make it right.

It’s never too late to do the right thing. I have committed to our customers and our employees that we are going to fix what’s broken so this never happens again. This will include a thorough review of crew movement, our policies for incentivizing volunteers in these situations, how we handle oversold situations and an examination of how we partner with airport authorities and local law enforcement. We’ll communicate the results of our review by April 30th.

I promise you we will do better.

Sincerely,

Oscar
Statement to customers - 27 April 2017
Each flight you take with us represents an important promise we make to you, our customer. It's not simply that we make sure you reach your destination safely and on time, but also that you will be treated with the highest level of service and the deepest sense of dignity and respect.

Earlier this month, we broke that trust when a passenger was forcibly removed from one of our planes. We can never say we are sorry enough for what occurred, but we also know meaningful actions will speak louder than words.

For the past several weeks, we have been urgently working to answer two questions: How did this happen, and how can we do our best to ensure this never happens again?

It happened because our corporate policies were placed ahead of our shared values. Our procedures got in the way of our employees doing what they know is right.

Fixing that problem starts now with changing how we fly, serve and respect our customers. This is a turning point for all of us here at United – and as CEO, it's my responsibility to make sure that we learn from this experience and redouble our efforts to put our customers at the center of everything we do.

That’s why we announced that we will no longer ask law enforcement to remove customers from a flight and customers will not be required to give up their seat once on board – except in matters of safety or security.

We also know that despite our best efforts, when things don’t go the way they should, we need to be there for you to make things right. There are several new ways we’re going to do just that.

We will increase incentives for voluntary rebooking up to $10,000 and will be eliminating the red tape on permanently lost bags with a new "no-questions-asked" $1,500 reimbursement policy. We will also be rolling out a new app for our employees that will enable them to provide on-the-spot goodwill gestures in the form of miles, travel credit and other amenities when your experience with us misses the mark. You can learn more about these commitments and many other changes at hub.united.com.

While these actions are important, I have found myself reflecting more broadly on the role we play and the responsibilities we have to you and the communities we serve.

I believe we must go further in redefining what United's corporate citizenship looks like in our society. If our chief good as a company is only getting you to and from your destination, that would show a lack of moral imagination on our part. You can and ought to expect more from us, and we intend to live up to those higher expectations in the way we embody social responsibility and civic leadership everywhere we operate. I hope you will see that pledge express itself in our actions going forward, of which these initial, though important, changes are merely a first step.

Our goal should be nothing less than to make you truly proud to say, "I fly United."

Ultimately, the measure of our success is your satisfaction and the past several weeks have moved us to go further than ever before in elevating your experience with us. I know our 87,000 employees have taken this message to heart, and they are as energized as ever to fulfill our promise to serve you better with each flight and earn the trust you’ve given us.

We are working harder than ever for the privilege to serve you and I know we will be stronger, better and the customer-focused airline you expect and deserve.

With Great Gratitude,

Oscar Munoz
CEO
United Airlines
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UA's Customer Commitment says:
Occasionally we may not be able to provide you with a seat on a specific flight, even if you hold a ticket, have checked in, are present to board on time, and comply with other requirements. This is called an oversale, and occurs when restrictions apply to operating a particular flight safely (such as aircraft weight limits); when we have to substitute a smaller aircraft in place of a larger aircraft that was originally scheduled; or if more customers have checked in and are prepared to board than we have available seats.

If your flight is in an oversale situation, you will not be denied a seat until we first ask for volunteers willing to give up their confirmed seats. If there are not enough volunteers, we will deny boarding to passengers in accordance with our written policy on boarding priority. If you are involuntarily denied boarding and have complied with our check-in and other applicable rules, we will give you a written statement that describes your rights and explains how we determine boarding priority for an oversold flight. You will generally be entitled to compensation and transportation on an alternate flight.

We make complete rules for the payment of compensation, as well as our policy about boarding priorities, available at airports we serve. We will follow these rules to ensure you are treated fairly. Please be aware that you may be denied boarding without compensation if you do not check in on time or do not meet certain other requirements, or if we offer you alternative transportation that is planned to arrive at your destination or first stopover no later than one hour after the planned arrival time of your original flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 9:41 pm
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Originally Posted by TomMM
And we see how well that worked out.
I haven't seen the final dollar amount that United is going to pay up as a result of this UA incident. That will be a sign of how well this worked out and for whom.

Originally Posted by bigboy
Given that no one watches CNN (or any of the cable news channels) anymore, this is the last thing about which United cares....
The ratings history of the 3 biggest cable news channels in the US show something else. . CNN has seen substantial viewership growth this year over prior years. And Fox and MSNBC have been heating it up big time this year.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cabl...bc-1202017940/

UA's been getting lots of repeat negative coverage even from the financial news networks.

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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:02 pm
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Not so fast ... we live in an age where the influence of social media now changes some of the assumptions on which the aircraft policies depend. Example, I'll bet you that aviation police will no longer be willing to get involved in situations like these because it exposes them to liability and horrible publicity. If the airlines cannot leverage the threat of physical force to passengers who are engaged in a peaceful dispute over a contractual issue on the aircraft or at the gate, the policies will have to change to provide great incentives for cooperation and more flexibility for the gate agents and supervisors to address these one offs.

Most of us who are in the anti-United camp on this one were not objecting to United's overbooking practices or the need to get crew on Dr. Dao's aircraft. We objected to a cynical use of law enforcement by United to lowball passengers who had purchased tickets in good faith and met all their responsibilities. That airlines would take advantage of post 911 laws not to enhance safety but to increase revenue, is disgusting.
Well said!
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:14 pm
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Originally Posted by newaliases
This is one of the many locus of outrage. At some point, United decided that saving a few thousand bucks (by limiting what their GA can offer) is more important to them than keeping a paying customer on a plane. Who cares the inconvenience it causes the involuntarily bumped customer, $800 is worth more to United.
It wasn't a matter of a few thousand dollars. The cost of doing a VDB would have been less than that.

Dr. Dao was probably going to receive less than US$400 for his IDB since he had a cheap RT to LAX. If he had been replaced by the passenger that the GA laughed at for volunteering at UA$1600 = US$400, UA could well have SAVED money.

Similarly, if we look at doing all four as VDBs, since one person volunteered at UA$1600 readily, let's assume that it might take UA$2000 = US$500 to get four volunteers. The incremental cost would have been only about a hundred dollars per crew member.

If we need instead to pay UA$2800 = US$700 per volunteer, it's still only US$300 additional per seat or $1200 more in incremental cost.

Even if we greatly increase the estimate of what it would have cost to get the four volunteers to UA$4000 = US$1000 each, which seems really extreme, we're only at a total cost of $US4000 for doing four VDBs or net US$3600 for doing four VDBs rather than four IDBs.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Rdenney
You prefer a world where gate agents and security guards think their unlawful commands are the law? How do you think that practice stops? It's not like United customers haven't complained about this sort thing before. I may not have many posts, but I actually have read this forum for a while.
Some of the discussion is starting to seem very Kafka-esque. How long has UA been flying to Prague?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:29 pm
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So, if the last VDB offer was $800, do they honor that when they move to IDB or could it be lower? That would really add insult to injury (no pun intended).
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:36 pm
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So, if the last VDB offer was $800, do they honor that when they move to IDB or could it be lower? That would really add insult to injury (no pun intended).
No, the IDB is set by the DoT at 4x ticket price up to $1350 (for delay of more than 2 hours domestic/4 hours international). But importantly you can ask for it by check or cash, which is not comparable to the voucher you get from VDB.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:50 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
If the TMZ quote is accurate, it's a crazy rule that could have unintended consequences. To say that the crew member must arrive "at least 60 minutes before the doors close" just creates a workaround/incentive to deliberately delay the flight by about an hour. Problem solved.
The TMZ quote is not accurate, but the airline does have flexibility to delay the flight if it needs to in order to stay within its self-imposed rules.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 10:57 pm
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Originally Posted by strichener
The only companies that have made the airline business complicated is the airlines themselves. As businesses they have decided that they need to merge, operate hub networks, minimise redundancy within crew and fleet.
No different than how manufacturing and retail, esp. supermarkets, complicated their businesses by implementing complex just-in-time supply and distribution chains that minimize inventory costs, benefiting more consumers in more places with a wider range of products at cheaper prices. Airlines are not different in this regard. Many communities would not have airline service at all or would be very constrained in their routing and timing options were it not for the hub model, just like they wouldn't have access to many products and their producers wouldn't have access to many markets if wholesalers and retailers hadn't done the very same thing.
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I still want to know why the 4 crew members showed up after boarding and demanded to be on the flight? Did they show up late, did ops send them that late. That may be the most embarrassing part of the whole story.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by ftweb
No, the IDB is set by the DoT at 4x ticket price up to $1350 (for delay of more than 2 hours domestic/4 hours international). But importantly you can ask for it by check or cash, which is not comparable to the voucher you get from VDB.
Harsh, if your ticket price is low. Glad to have the government looking out for us.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:16 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
It wasn't a matter of a few thousand dollars. The cost of doing a VDB would have been less than that.

Dr. Dao was probably going to receive less than US$400 for his IDB since he had a cheap RT to LAX. If he had been replaced by the passenger that the GA laughed at for volunteering at UA$1600 = US$400, UA could well have SAVED money.

Similarly, if we look at doing all four as VDBs, since one person volunteered at UA$1600 readily, let's assume that it might take UA$2000 = US$500 to get four volunteers. The incremental cost would have been only about a hundred dollars per crew member.

If we need instead to pay UA$2800 = US$700 per volunteer, it's still only US$300 additional per seat or $1200 more in incremental cost.

Even if we greatly increase the estimate of what it would have cost to get the four volunteers to UA$4000 = US$1000 each, which seems really extreme, we're only at a total cost of $US4000 for doing four VDBs or net US$3600 for doing four VDBs rather than four IDBs.
My guess is that they would have had other takers at $1600. Of course, this also brings up another question: Presuming that United has a system for picking their IDBs that the GA is bound by, why wouldn't UA give them authority to go up to the cost to do the IDB in terms of "book value" on the vouchers? Even if the cost is the same, IMHO a VDB always looks better than an IDB. So if Dr. Dao's ticket was around $100 (and thus his IDB cost $400) then it would make sense to offer up to, say, $1500 even if you assign only a nominal benefit to the VDB/IDB difference.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:31 pm
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Originally Posted by STS-134
What kickstarted this entire scenario was UA's refusal to offer enough money to entice volunteers. WIthout that, none of the rest of the stuff would have happened. DL will offer up to $9950 to get people off the plane. Why didn't UA do it?
On average DL customers pay 16% higher prices than UA customers (2016 full-year passenger mile yield = DL 15.85˘, UA 13.65˘), so sure that DL has factored that level of DB compensation into their calculations and adjusted fares up as needed.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by GrayAnderson
My guess is that they would have had other takers at $1600. Of course, this also brings up another question: Presuming that United has a system for picking their IDBs that the GA is bound by, why wouldn't UA give them authority to go up to the cost to do the IDB in terms of "book value" on the vouchers? Even if the cost is the same, IMHO a VDB always looks better than an IDB. So if Dr. Dao's ticket was around $100 (and thus his IDB cost $400) then it would make sense to offer up to, say, $1500 even if you assign only a nominal benefit to the VDB/IDB difference.
This seems to have been the reasoning behind DL's willingness to be generous about VDBs to avoid IDBs. It's even more important now that IDB = Involuntarily Dragged and Beaten.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:33 pm
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Originally Posted by PushingTin
I still want to know why the 4 crew members showed up after boarding and demanded to be on the flight? Did they show up late, did ops send them that late. That may be the most embarrassing part of the whole story.
I agree. Perhaps I should be wearing a tinfoil hat for this, but I do think it is very suspicious that while everyone else is focusing on IDB compensation, United's first policy change (that we know of) is the 60 minute restriction on booking crew travel. There must be something very inappropriate about how this was done that they would focus on this even before adjusting their VDB compensation guidelines.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by richarddd
It's somewhat amazing how many posts in this thread ignore the possibility of increasing the VDB payment, instead portraying the situation as a choice between some other, usually horrible, alternatives.

It's not that complicated. And for those who claim it would not be economically rational for UA to do this, you need to explain why DL can afford to increase its VDB payment limit, but UA can't.
Ability to eliminate/almost eliminate IDB by
a) Making IDB very painful/extremely expensive
b) forcing airlines to make huge VDB (in cash when there no takers for vouchers)
c) having to report VBD data just as IDB is required today

If one (politician/regulators/airline) really want to fix this, it is not that difficult
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