06 April 2017 - UA547 held at YYZ for "U.S. Customs probe"
Apr 6, 2017, 6:49 pm
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Apr 6, 2017, 9:30 pm
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Apr 6, 2017, 10:10 pm
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Arrived: Chicago, IL (ORD) Scheduled: 7:51 AM Actual: 2:31 PM Terminal: Terminal 5, Concourse M Gate: M16
Apr 6, 2017, 10:13 pm
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UA Flight Status states M16
Appears the flight might have arrived without PreClearance
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Arrived: Chicago, IL (ORD) Scheduled: 7:51 AM Actual: 2:31 PM Terminal: Terminal 5, Concourse M Gate: M16
0547/06APR
P YYZ/OUT 150P L06.50 ☨
P YYZ/OFF 216P
P ORD/ON 222P
P ORD/IN 231P L06.40 ☨
D CRC/ORD/ PROB DLYS/DVRT/CNCL DUE TO STRONG WINDS-ATC OPERATION
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D HDQ/YYZ ORD PROT UNDER GG CN1 D41
SKED YYZ ORIG 700A GTD F83 SHIP 3465
ORD 751A TERM GTA M16
P YYZ/OUT 150P L06.50 ☨
P YYZ/OFF 216P
P ORD/ON 222P
P ORD/IN 231P L06.40 ☨
D CRC/ORD/ PROB DLYS/DVRT/CNCL DUE TO STRONG WINDS-ATC OPERATION
S
D HDQ/YYZ ORD PROT UNDER GG CN1 D41
SKED YYZ ORIG 700A GTD F83 SHIP 3465
ORD 751A TERM GTA M16
Apr 6, 2017, 10:22 pm
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Apr 7, 2017, 9:09 am
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I hope they send the bill for all this to the idiot who tried to smuggle in a fake IED.
Apr 7, 2017, 5:32 pm
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Interesting... I've had an opposite experience. One night I was on the last AA flight to ORD and it was cancelled due to weather in Chicago. I assumed I'd have to clear back into Canada, but the AA agent just walked me back out through the (at that time of night deserted and closed) security line back out through the US customs preclearance facility without speaking to anyone.
Physically the plane is still and Canada.
But for the purpose of US CBP and CBSA all passengers are legally deemed to have left Canada and in US (VR???)
So once you have been processed into the US you needed to be processed back into Canada even just to get to the terminal.
I went through this process when I VDB on the last flight of the day out to US. I was escorted by a US CBP agent and a CBSA agent to the entry to Canada immigration hall to be processed so I can head home to sleep.
But for the purpose of US CBP and CBSA all passengers are legally deemed to have left Canada and in US (VR???)
So once you have been processed into the US you needed to be processed back into Canada even just to get to the terminal.
I went through this process when I VDB on the last flight of the day out to US. I was escorted by a US CBP agent and a CBSA agent to the entry to Canada immigration hall to be processed so I can head home to sleep.
I know CATSA scans your passport several times as part of security screening, I don't know if that gets submitted to CBSA as an exit control.
Theoretically you never "left" Canada, but practically with Advance Passenger Information, knowledge of your existing PNR, and maybe submission of exit data as you clear screening with CATSA / US Preclearance, Canada knows that you've "left" when you enter the sterile area past CBP preclearance, and if you want to go back for any reason (illness, cancelled flight, etc.) then they probably want to assess your risk of overstay at a minimum.
Apr 7, 2017, 6:28 pm
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That's how we used to do it years ago at YYZ when I worked there - there was no requirement to send people back to Canadian immigration. As I understand it now, the rules changed and once you enter the pre-clearance area, you need to re-clear Canadian immigration - which is mind-numbingly stupid as you never left Canada and pre-clearance is nothing more than an administrative status waiving you from a customs and immigration check on arrival in the USA.
A couple years ago I became sick in the pre-clearance area at YUL and couldn't board the flight - not only did I need to drag myself back through Canadian immigration instead of being allowed to walk out the domestic exit, but the Air Canada gate agent ended up calling immigration inspectors to the gate to check my documents before I could be seen by paramedics - aside from the fact she waited to unload me from the flight and clear a standby before even bothering to call for help
(which is typical Air Canada service).
Of course most bureaucratic rules in Canada are mind-numbingly stupid, so this one should be no surprise.
A couple years ago I became sick in the pre-clearance area at YUL and couldn't board the flight - not only did I need to drag myself back through Canadian immigration instead of being allowed to walk out the domestic exit, but the Air Canada gate agent ended up calling immigration inspectors to the gate to check my documents before I could be seen by paramedics - aside from the fact she waited to unload me from the flight and clear a standby before even bothering to call for help
(which is typical Air Canada service).Of course most bureaucratic rules in Canada are mind-numbingly stupid, so this one should be no surprise.
Truth is, security is a lot more stringent than 15 years ago, and lots of things have changed. If you left your bag unattended 20 years ago, no one really cared. Try that these days. It won't go well. If I had to guess, I'd say they don't let you do this as they don't want passengers having an option, and they don't want the possibility of mixing 'clean' and 'unclean' passengers . Say a pax somehow is able to get out of a Ua-Canada flight and walk through the second set of doors into the main hall, instead of going through the hallway to customs. Then tries to claim they are just not going to Board "their" outbound flight. Also, if there is a way/process to bypass cusotms, it's very possible someone will find a way to use it that shouldn't. Think of hackers getting into personal data that's supposed to be secure - the door is there, and it's supposed to be secure enough so that no one should have access, but all of a sudden, someone has broken down the door and walks out with a million passwords and credit card numbers. That door is there and supposed to be locked, by someone found a way in.
Apr 17, 2017, 2:55 pm
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"U.S. customs release image of 'mock IED'..."
This is what it looked like. Wait until you read what it was.
You can now label this guy anything you wish because clearly, no thinking was involved in his decision to fly with it.
U.S. customs release image of 'mock IED' that caused hours of delays at Pearson
American Joseph Galaska was charged with mischief after object found in his suitcase
By Kate McGillivray, CBC News Posted: Apr 17, 2017 12:37 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-ied-1.4072824
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You can now label this guy anything you wish because clearly, no thinking was involved in his decision to fly with it.
U.S. customs release image of 'mock IED' that caused hours of delays at Pearson
American Joseph Galaska was charged with mischief after object found in his suitcase
By Kate McGillivray, CBC News Posted: Apr 17, 2017 12:37 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-ied-1.4072824
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Apr 17, 2017, 3:21 pm
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A novelty alarm clock? Seriously?
Although he is apparently not the first....and how ironic...at the same airport
From back in 2015:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...OMB-plane.html
If you want your own, apparently it's so popular, they are sold out
http://www.amazon.in/Novelty-Defusab.../dp/B00C587QUM
Although he is apparently not the first....and how ironic...at the same airport
From back in 2015:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/tr...OMB-plane.html
If you want your own, apparently it's so popular, they are sold out
http://www.amazon.in/Novelty-Defusab.../dp/B00C587QUM
Apr 17, 2017, 3:40 pm
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This is what it looked like. Wait until you read what it was.
You can now label this guy anything you wish because clearly, no thinking was involved in his decision to fly with it.
U.S. customs release image of 'mock IED' that caused hours of delays at Pearson
American Joseph Galaska was charged with mischief after object found in his suitcase
By Kate McGillivray, CBC News Posted: Apr 17, 2017 12:37 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-ied-1.4072824
.
You can now label this guy anything you wish because clearly, no thinking was involved in his decision to fly with it.
U.S. customs release image of 'mock IED' that caused hours of delays at Pearson
American Joseph Galaska was charged with mischief after object found in his suitcase
By Kate McGillivray, CBC News Posted: Apr 17, 2017 12:37 PM ET
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toront...-ied-1.4072824
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Apr 17, 2017, 10:50 pm
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may seem stupid to laymen , but I bet they have their reasons now. Im not sure what years ago is, but I'm pretty sure having to clear Canadian customs is how it's been for a long time.
Truth is, security is a lot more stringent than 15 years ago, and lots of things have changed. If you left your bag unattended 20 years ago, no one really cared. Try that these days. It won't go well. If I had to guess, I'd say they don't let you do this as they don't want passengers having an option, and they don't want the possibility of mixing 'clean' and 'unclean' passengers . Say a pax somehow is able to get out of a Ua-Canada flight and walk through the second set of doors into the main hall, instead of going through the hallway to customs. Then tries to claim they are just not going to Board "their" outbound flight. Also, if there is a way/process to bypass cusotms, it's very possible someone will find a way to use it that shouldn't. Think of hackers getting into personal data that's supposed to be secure - the door is there, and it's supposed to be secure enough so that no one should have access, but all of a sudden, someone has broken down the door and walks out with a million passwords and credit card numbers. That door is there and supposed to be locked, by someone found a way in.
Truth is, security is a lot more stringent than 15 years ago, and lots of things have changed. If you left your bag unattended 20 years ago, no one really cared. Try that these days. It won't go well. If I had to guess, I'd say they don't let you do this as they don't want passengers having an option, and they don't want the possibility of mixing 'clean' and 'unclean' passengers . Say a pax somehow is able to get out of a Ua-Canada flight and walk through the second set of doors into the main hall, instead of going through the hallway to customs. Then tries to claim they are just not going to Board "their" outbound flight. Also, if there is a way/process to bypass cusotms, it's very possible someone will find a way to use it that shouldn't. Think of hackers getting into personal data that's supposed to be secure - the door is there, and it's supposed to be secure enough so that no one should have access, but all of a sudden, someone has broken down the door and walks out with a million passwords and credit card numbers. That door is there and supposed to be locked, by someone found a way in.
There very well could be passengers on that US bound flight that arrived off flights from Europe, South American or Asia and have not cleared Canada customers as they were connecting directly to the US.
