Too much crew control of window shades on 787?
Nov 6, 2017, 9:45 pm
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If UV actually penetrated the window material (doubtful), eye shades would certainty block UV.Agreed that could be an issue
UVA is not filtered by the atmosphere and therefore not particularly impact by altitude. UVB and UVC, the more concerning UV, is filtered (shorter than 350nm) by plexiglass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultraviolet
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/q...-high-altitude
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Nov 6, 2017 at 9:57 pm Reason: references
Nov 7, 2017, 1:45 am
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We're going EWR - LAX - SYD in a few months and while I only care about the window during takeoff and landing, my wife loves to look out the window for hours. She particularly enjoys looking out at night when you're above the clouds and can see the stars, so hopefully they let her have her window for that flight. For the way back, we're hoping to have the window open until after lunch.
Slightly OT, but this was mentioned by someone else upthread - for the LAX - SYD - LAX flights, which side of the plane will offer better sights?
Slightly OT, but this was mentioned by someone else upthread - for the LAX - SYD - LAX flights, which side of the plane will offer better sights?
Aug 21, 2018, 7:35 am
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I always ask the crew to unlock my window shade.
Aug 21, 2018, 9:38 am
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Has anyone actually stood up (in a nice way) to FA's about this? I paid for my ticket, my seat and my carriage. I should be able to decide whether I want my shade up or not. Except on the 787. We took an Edelweiss 14 hour flight last week and the FA's came and asked kindly if we wanted to close it, but said it was ok to keep it up./
On United, it's pretty much 'shut it pal'.
On United, it's pretty much 'shut it pal'.
Aug 21, 2018, 8:05 pm
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Has anyone actually stood up (in a nice way) to FA's about this? I paid for my ticket, my seat and my carriage. I should be able to decide whether I want my shade up or not. Except on the 787. We took an Edelweiss 14 hour flight last week and the FA's came and asked kindly if we wanted to close it, but said it was ok to keep it up./
On United, it's pretty much 'shut it pal'.
On United, it's pretty much 'shut it pal'.
Aug 21, 2018, 8:27 pm
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On my two recent flights the FA's didn't do anything to get people to close their shades. On the 747 in F the lady across from me kept her shades up the entire time so we all awoke to the sunrise (not terrible, but the sun rose 2 hours before breakfast and that was time I could have been sleeping...) and my second flight was on the 77W in biz and the guy in the very front kept both his shades halfway shut and it was blindingly bright. I was far enough back so it was at least marginally dark but even one window makes the cabin suuper bright.
Warren, you claim sensitivity to light, and then sensitivity to anything offered as a way to decrease your seeing light.
I'm sensing a pattern here.
Aug 21, 2018, 9:21 pm
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You never had them reach over you with the hanger while you weren't looking?
Aug 22, 2018, 6:25 am
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Hmm. I have an upcoming 11 hour flight on a UA 789 and a return on a NH 787. I will do this. If you see an article about someone getting arrested over a window shade, it was me.
Aug 22, 2018, 7:37 am
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I think everyone has light sensitivity when they're trying to sleep. That's normal. I'm not sure what you mean by your "sensitivity to anything offered" that makes no sense. Do you mean eyeshades? Yeah I don't like eyeshades. Lol there's nothing wrong with that.
Nowhere in my comment did I say people shouldn't be allowed to control window shades. My comment was that it makes the cabin super bright. Oh and that it woke me up earlier than I would have liked.
Aug 22, 2018, 11:46 am
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It was a request you couldn't refuse. So basically the same as the kill switch used by FAs.
Aug 22, 2018, 6:08 pm
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We're going EWR - LAX - SYD in a few months and while I only care about the window during takeoff and landing, my wife loves to look out the window for hours. She particularly enjoys looking out at night when you're above the clouds and can see the stars, so hopefully they let her have her window for that flight. For the way back, we're hoping to have the window open until after lunch.
Slightly OT, but this was mentioned by someone else upthread - for the LAX - SYD - LAX flights, which side of the plane will offer better sights?
Slightly OT, but this was mentioned by someone else upthread - for the LAX - SYD - LAX flights, which side of the plane will offer better sights?
Aug 22, 2018, 9:05 pm
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Before the 787s? It was a request I often refused, or compromised on by lowering the shade slightly but still able to see out. Generally speaking, keeping the shade open throughout the flight serves notice that eyemasks are needed, vs leaving the cabin dark then suddenly making it bright and disturbing people when the window shade is opened for a view outside.
Aug 23, 2018, 1:20 am
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I had this a couple months ago SIN-SFO, except they were locked full-dark during boarding and during taxi. I spoke up mid-taxi, because should we have an incident, I would really like to be able to see out my window to figure out if there was a burning pile of jet fuel right outside.
They did unlock them and turned them all clear, but then right after takeoff locked them all back to dark. I was about to speak up again when the service director came by my seat, mentioned she'd set mine to unlocked, and made a point to say that I could have full control of the shades for the full flight. I thanked her, said I'd be considerate, and then turned them clear. Because, you know, Spratly Islands, South China Sea, the Philippines -- all infinitely more interesting than the latest episode of Desperate Housewives. Interestingly, she came back again after the meal service just to check that I still had full control.
I'll probably speak up from now on -- I really don't like the 'all dark' philosophy, but if they're OK unlocking just mine I'm fine with it.
They did unlock them and turned them all clear, but then right after takeoff locked them all back to dark. I was about to speak up again when the service director came by my seat, mentioned she'd set mine to unlocked, and made a point to say that I could have full control of the shades for the full flight. I thanked her, said I'd be considerate, and then turned them clear. Because, you know, Spratly Islands, South China Sea, the Philippines -- all infinitely more interesting than the latest episode of Desperate Housewives. Interestingly, she came back again after the meal service just to check that I still had full control.
I'll probably speak up from now on -- I really don't like the 'all dark' philosophy, but if they're OK unlocking just mine I'm fine with it.