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The short answer is no and that is the general practice across the domestic carriers. There are few exceptions.
Additionally, average domestic fare is too low to fund the space needed.
Why can non-domestic carriers do this in their domestic zone? The amount of in country travel / first class is very small in comparison to the USA (in most cases) plus their train competition offers lounge access.
While there are some who have access due to UC membership or status, for other access it is only if
Premium cabin passengers for "transcontinental business class " (SFO/LAX<> EWR/JFK) or "United Business class within the U.S." (SFO<> BOS)
or Active duty U.S. military personnel under certain circumstances
For more on the "exceptions" see Consolidated "United Club Access Questions" Thread
So why not all domestic F passengers, besides it is not the practice? Essentially there is not enough lounge space and it would be too expensive to build enough space.Premium cabin passengers for "transcontinental business class " (SFO/LAX<> EWR/JFK) or "United Business class within the U.S." (SFO<> BOS)
or Active duty U.S. military personnel under certain circumstances
For more on the "exceptions" see Consolidated "United Club Access Questions" Thread
Additionally, average domestic fare is too low to fund the space needed.
Why can non-domestic carriers do this in their domestic zone? The amount of in country travel / first class is very small in comparison to the USA (in most cases) plus their train competition offers lounge access.
Why no United Lounge access with UA domestic first class tickets?
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Don't worry though, you really are not missing much. Not missing anything at all, really unless you have an extremely long wait for your flight due to IRROPS, or you really enjoy drinking cheap beer and wine. If you prefer decent alcohol, you will spend more at the UC (even with free admission) than you would at an airport bar.
I have a UC membership and my last 8 trips, I have had time, but have walked right past the UC on the way to a bar. My advice if you really like lounges, is to get a Platinum Amex card. They have lounges that are actually worth visiting.
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to me Domestic "F" is a misnomer, its should be called something different. Their "real F class for international operations is actually First Class. Then they have this other category for North American flights in the front cabin, they call that Business Class and in my experience they can access the United Club lounge..
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They also sell one-time passes for $59...if you are delayed/have a long time to spend in the airport, that is not a terrible price (depending on which airport you are at) to have a little bit of peace and quiet, not to mention free food (which is definitely better than it used to be) and drinks.
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There is no "why" other than to say "because".
Perhaps the more precise answer is that the people who purchase domestic F tickets in the US do not wish to have lounge services bundled in the price of their ticket as they do elsewhere in the world. Thus, it is sold as an add-on service.
The same can be said to the "why" question for pretty much all services in all classes. Nothing is free, it is simply a question whether the cost is bundled into the ticket or charged for separately.
Perhaps the more precise answer is that the people who purchase domestic F tickets in the US do not wish to have lounge services bundled in the price of their ticket as they do elsewhere in the world. Thus, it is sold as an add-on service.
The same can be said to the "why" question for pretty much all services in all classes. Nothing is free, it is simply a question whether the cost is bundled into the ticket or charged for separately.
In the rest of the world, it is the opposite. Lounge access is governed by status and class of service. There is no club you can join for lounge access.
Because both of these arrangements are of long historical standing, they have each designed their clubs to meet the needs of their expected customers. So, those who say that US Clubs could not meet the demand if the standard rules that apply in the rest of the world apply in the US. They are right, but that just reflects the way lounge access is structured. The design follows how lounge access is structured, not the reverse.
In one sense, I think that your first answer is best, simply "because". I presume that the OP is relatively new to the US and simply was unaware of this anomaly.
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Airlines have varying business models for their clubs. While UA/AA/DL/AC/QF have memberships and/or single entry for purchase, other airlines determine club entry by FF status and travel class.
For every person who says 'why can't I get in' there is another person who says 'they should be more exclusive' so it depends on your situation.
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For every person who says 'why can't I get in' there is another person who says 'they should be more exclusive' so it depends on your situation.
SL
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I think that it is reaching to say that people who purchase domestic F tickets in the US do not wish to have lounge services bundled in the price. Rather, more that by historical custom in the US is to sell this as a separate service in the form of a club.
In the rest of the world, it is the opposite. Lounge access is governed by status and class of service. There is no club you can join for lounge access.
In the rest of the world, it is the opposite. Lounge access is governed by status and class of service. There is no club you can join for lounge access.
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Yes - it's probably easiest to think of the United Club as simply that - a 'club' based at airports that you pay for access to, without much connection to actual flying. The limited exception is for international travelers with either premium status or paying for premium class travel - and that exception is governed by United's calculation that it's easiest to provide the expected access for those international travelers by granting access to an existing club rather than providing something separate.
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BTW AA has the same restriction to domestic F, plus they including the Caribbean as not being eligible for the lounge, Im *A at UA lounges so it's no issue, but prior I at least had lounge access for USA-Carribean (Grand Cayman) flights on UA
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IIRC before the merger CO didn't allow Canada, Mexico, Carribean in the lounge. I remember when I found out by trying to go to the lounge (above the food court EWR C) and she said it was only for international passengers. I questioned as to why I needed a passport to travel to Mexico on that trip.
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correct - silvers don't get lounge access under any circumstances (unless you have it through other methods). Also wouldn't get it transborder traveling in Y.
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